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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Between the holidays, my family and I trading illnesses, and just life, I've managed to be somewhat productive in my bass/guitar endeavors. At least, as far as trying to thin the pedal herd. In the process, I think I've officially replaced the Pharaoh Supreme with the Swollen Pickle - both on guitar and bass boards. The Pickle can cut a bit better, and still retains bass and grit. Just takes a while to learn! I'm also digging the Russian Pickle on guitar. For now, the Swollens are on bass boards, with a Pharaoh Supreme and Russian Pickle on each guitar board. The Russian is an interesting mix of extreme lows and cutting highs. I'm digging it, but I still think the Swollen Pickle is better overall. The Pork & Pickle works crazy well on guitar, too - it could do both the roles of my OD Glove (OCD clone) and Russian Pickle no problem. It's an amazing little box, and I think I actually prefer it on guitar over bass. Same for the Blower Box Deluxe, but only because I have a few other Rats I prefer. But it's also awesome on guitar. I got it halfway between my fuzz and TightMetal tonally, which was a nice beefy, but also gritty and articulate tone. I've definitely heard recorded tones in that ballpark for guitar. Finally, I dug out my other fuzzes (i.e. non-Muffs) and guitar drives and had a go. They're all so different, and do something the others cant do. Just fun to play for a bit. I've got the Purple Platypus and Conquistador (Octave Drive and Fuzz, respectively) which were not my usual tone but fun, and I also dug out the Carcosa again. Always forget how much I love that one.

And I actually added a few pedals to the "sell" list, so that's progress. One day, I'll actually start to learn songs again...

Me and you both, it's an interesting place to be in life eh? Loved the Platypus, shouldn't have sold it but was strapped at the time. One of these days I'll try the Conquistador and pickup another Platypus.

Thankfully I forced my hand to move some of the stuff that should get played not collect dust. I can always replace later if I want. I need to strip down and focus more on playing and really learning how to get good at recording...
 
Thankfully I forced my hand to move some of the stuff that should get played not collect dust. I can always replace later if I want. I need to strip down and focus more on playing and really learning how to get good at recording...

That was my goal LAST year (getting rid of gear), and I did actually try. Ended up adding a few to the collection overall, but certainly slowed down a good deal and did get rid of a handful of pedals too. But couldn't seem to move stuff much locally. Have been debating getting a supporting TB membership for this, but I also don't really have boxes and may not be able to ship quickly, which I know is a valid complaint. I've also been trying to just focus on learning songs again.

I keep debating going bare bones and just doing dirt and other necessities on my boards, and even getting rid of most of my beloved "extra dirt". I've already removed most of my other stuff from the boards and just have it in storage (aka in a box on the shelf in the band room). But I haven't used that stuff in months, either, so I may end up getting rid of that too. I figure that there's probably a modern multi-effect unit that I can get that's cheaper to fulfill my phaser/flanger/chorus whatever needs. And I clearly don't need them often. The only "extra" I really DO love, and will likely never part with, is my envelope filter. But even then, my favorite has been the MXR Bass Envelope Filter, and that's not exactly hard to find.
 
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Can agree. Just heard you. And I like you. Where you guys located? 'EDIT: checked your profile - VA? If you ever get by Detroit or want to split the difference in between I'd play with ya guys anytime!'

Same for you but down here! Lol (much to the chagrin of my bandmates) I have no intention of ever touring. Got a wife, a kid, and an engineering job at the shipyard with a decent salary and benefits. If I left this to do that I'd probably be divorced and living in the tour van, permanently.
 
Same for you but down here! Lol (much to the chagrin of my bandmates) I have no intention of ever touring. Got a wife, a kid, and an engineering job at the shipyard with a decent salary and benefits. If I left this to do that I'd probably be divorced and living in the tour van, permanently.
Same my dude. Wife, 3 kids, and a "real" job. Never hurts to ask though. Haha
 
Same boat, have been for some time. I held out on the dream of I could take a leave of absence, but who was I kidding, that'd never go over well. I've resolved to I'm game to do a weekend or long weekend mini tour, but still a long ways from that happening at this point.

That was my goal LAST year (getting rid of gear), and I did actually try. Ended up adding a few to the collection overall, but certainly slowed down a good deal and did get rid of a handful of pedals too. But couldn't seem to move stuff much locally. Have been debating getting a supporting TB membership for this, but I also don't really have boxes and may not be able to ship quickly, which I know is a valid complaint. I've also been trying to just focus on learning songs again.

I keep debating going bare bones and just doing dirt and other necessities on my boards, and even getting rid of most of my beloved "extra dirt". I've already removed most of my other stuff from the boards and just have it in storage (aka in a box on the shelf in the band room). But I haven't used that stuff in months, either, so I may end up getting rid of that too. I figure that there's probably a modern multi-effect unit that I can get that's cheaper to fulfill my phaser/flanger/chorus whatever needs. And I clearly don't need them often. The only "extra" I really DO love, and will likely never part with, is my envelope filter. But even then, my favorite has been the MXR Bass Envelope Filter, and that's not exactly hard to find.

Same here, I think the most I did was seriously slow down acquisition and create a better framework of what constitutes need to keep vs, I'll pick another one up someday in the future, and it's great but I just won't give it justice and I should move it. Slimming things down a bit already, and will continue to this year.

This year I will either start the building of my 412 or redesign and re-shell my ampeg 610 as a sealed 610. I can't find the T/S parameters of the speakers though, so maybe there's going to be some trial and error involved.

I also plan to start recording and getting our band out of hiatus.
 
My back needs me to downsize from 610 +210 to a portable setup. Looking at mesa subway stuff if it finally becomes available in europe. However, I wonder how those lightweight cabs fair with heavy fuzz or distortion.

Can anyone recommend a portable live setup that makes you feel as good as cranked tube head into fridge?
 
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Same for you but down here! Lol (much to the chagrin of my bandmates) I have no intention of ever touring. Got a wife, a kid, and an engineering job at the shipyard with a decent salary and benefits. If I left this to do that I'd probably be divorced and living in the tour van, down by the river!!

Fixed that for ya.

I may, one day, maybe, make it out of the basement. Possibly.
 
it's great but I just won't give it justice and I should move it.

That's where I'm struggling. I like to have a "backup" flavor for each of my dirts. I don't often use it, but it's nice to have. It's why I've held on to my Swollen Pickles so long, and they're currently my #1 muff. But as of right now, I believe I have 7 different muffs of some variety, with a few duplicates (because I play guitar and bass and needed some duplicates to avoid constantly changing settings even more than I already do...). I should probably downsize to a total of 3 different muff circuits between my bass and guitar rigs. Which I am trying to do, just not having any bites on my listings. I have decided that I have roughly twenty pedals to get rid of, so that's progress.

In related news, I've been jamming the heck out of my Swollen Pickle on guitar lately too. As versatile as it is on bass, it's even more so on guitar. The other day I got it about 90% of the way to the tones of my Pharaoh Supreme, Supercollider, Fat Sandwich, HM-2, and even somewhat close but a bit gainier to my OD Glove (EHX OCD clone). None of these pedals is 100% exactly what I'm wanting, but they could easily all do for what I need them to do. The Pickle was no worse than any of them for those tones, just slightly different. I could use a Pickle for each of those and likely be happy. To see such a variety of tones from a single FUZZ pedal blew my mind. It briefly crossed my mind to do an all Swollen Pickle board with all the various tones at my feet...

Finally, after all the guitar playing, I think I finally have to take at least one of my guitar amps in for some work. It's been sporadically cutting out for probably over a year now, and it's hit the point where it doesn't work much at all these days. Up until the past week twiddling a knob or two would "fix" it for a long time, but that's done. Had a scare today too, as my other guitar amp just up and died. That was a punch in the gut. I re-seated all of the connections and that seems good too, but considering they're both ~30 year old Peaveys, a little TLC is probably in order. Being Peaveys, I imagine they'll last another 30 years no problem once they're checked out.
 
@Deleted member 380707 that's a good question. I started on my cab quest for 2 reasons a few years back, not finished either. I had a mesa powerhouse 212, absolutely awesome cab. Gave just the edge of that fridge/real big cab feel while being plenty Lou for any gig. The downside was that it was just as deep, as most old school 410s. It also with how much low mids I'd push, create slightly tense cone farting situations when using dirt and octave down (namely meatbox). Both gave me a sense of unease about gigging long term. So yeah I was looking for the same things.

What I ended up on, mostly due to local availability, but also from research and previous experience was a pf210he for smaller stuff, and a 610hlf for bigger gigs. My future goal is to build a sealed 610 and/or 412 that fits in the 70 (doubtful) to 90 lbs range.

The 210 fell in my lap, super cheap, loud, good sound, and not bad to move around. It's sealed so it definitely has some of the 810 sound, but not feel. I've wondered if two of them would get closer to that.

The 610 for me was also a cheap pick up. Its beat to poopie and works perfectly. I use it with an hpf to achieve some semblance of a sealed cab. The size for me is perfect. I drive a truck, so I can roll it to the bed, tilt it over the down tailgate and slide in. Stairs aren't bad either. Granted building my own, I'm sure I could shave off another 20-30lbs and make it much easier to move.

This is where I realized moreso that although I like the deep sound of ported, I like the punch of a sealed cab. Also, in my experience, when you put too much energy to the drivers of a ported cab below their tuned freq. (oct + dirt) you have a great chance of damaging them. For those here that know lots more than I, they can probably speak to it better.

What little I do understand is that ported can maintain the volume of lows down to its corner or tuned freq better. However, being ported, there is less to no physical pressure support to the driver below the tuned freq. and the speaker can move excessively erradically which can destroy it with very little power. Sealed cabs on the otherhand, have a much higher and gradual start to their low end roll off, but due to the sealed nature, the air pressure within the cab can help control excessively erradict cone movement when going way low on freq input to them. Realistically, that's why the 810 is so good. It's loud af because of the number of speakers and it can reach low notes (and impression of being deeper) without being ported because the sheer volume it can achieve in the low freq due to the number of drivers. But yeah they can be tough to move.

Anyway, enough in the weeds for me. I've heard (and experienced in music stores) nothing but great things about the volume and tone from the subway stuff, but I can't speak to the feel of a big cab. The user @agedhorse was the engineer for Mesa who designed the cabs and can likely speak to which (if any) of the cabs were designed to have similar feel/response to what you're looking for. He is very approachable in my experience and very helpful with his insight. I believe there are quite a few threads discussing it as well, though your (and my) tonal/feel goals may not be specifically spoken to in those threads.

Outside of the subway cabs, I would recommend the pf210he for the sound and maybe with a pair of them you may achieve the feel of the fridge to some extent. Can't say on the feeling of how much air it can move, but the single 210 I have gets wicked loud and works great with my tube head to get the tone of a fridge.

That's where I'm struggling. I like to have a "backup" flavor for each of my dirts. I don't often use it, but it's nice to have. It's why I've held on to my Swollen Pickles so long, and they're currently my #1 muff. But as of right now, I believe I have 7 different muffs of some variety, with a few duplicates (because I play guitar and bass and needed some duplicates to avoid constantly changing settings even more than I already do...). I should probably downsize to a total of 3 different muff circuits between my bass and guitar rigs. Which I am trying to do, just not having any bites on my listings. I have decided that I have roughly twenty pedals to get rid of, so that's progress.

In related news, I've been jamming the heck out of my Swollen Pickle on guitar lately too. As versatile as it is on bass, it's even more so on guitar. The other day I got it about 90% of the way to the tones of my Pharaoh Supreme, Supercollider, Fat Sandwich, HM-2, and even somewhat close but a bit gainier to my OD Glove (EHX OCD clone). None of these pedals is 100% exactly what I'm wanting, but they could easily all do for what I need them to do. The Pickle was no worse than any of them for those tones, just slightly different. I could use a Pickle for each of those and likely be happy. To see such a variety of tones from a single FUZZ pedal blew my mind. It briefly crossed my mind to do an all Swollen Pickle board with all the various tones at my feet...

Finally, after all the guitar playing, I think I finally have to take at least one of my guitar amps in for some work. It's been sporadically cutting out for probably over a year now, and it's hit the point where it doesn't work much at all these days. Up until the past week twiddling a knob or two would "fix" it for a long time, but that's done. Had a scare today too, as my other guitar amp just up and died. That was a punch in the gut. I re-seated all of the connections and that seems good too, but considering they're both ~30 year old Peaveys, a little TLC is probably in order. Being Peaveys, I imagine they'll last another 30 years no problem once they're checked out.

I feel you, I'm definitely doing the same. Trying to get down to that same point. Good luck with the peavey's too, I imagine you're right about the longevity. My Ashdown finally had some preamp issues after 11 years. Tube looked fine, but almost immediately after replacing it yesterday (guessing once the new tube warmed up), all the volume came back. Probably not the tube and just opening it up and doing the swap helped shake loose whatever was afflicting it.
 
Hey all,

been lurking on and off here for years and sometimes asking silly gear related questions. These threads have been a real treasure chest of information on the bass side of the stoner genre. Our band started to gig more seriously after the pandemic and last year and we decided to record and mix one of our live shows. Here is one my favorite takes. Would love to hear any feedback from you guys!



Cheers!
 
Meh. Nobody likes the stuff we play, anyway. You have to be a masochist to try making money gigging stoner rock.

True story! But, damn! I tought at least in the US there would be a decent stoner scene left.

Outside of the subway cabs, I would recommend the pf210he for the sound and maybe with a pair of them you may achieve the feel of the fridge to some extent. Can't say on the feeling of how much air it can move, but the single 210 I have gets wicked loud and works great with my tube head to get the tone of a fridge.
Thanks so much for sharing your experience!! Will have to experiment with sealed vs. ported a bit more. the pf210he is on the list now!

Side note: I gave up on the meatbox dream already. Allows me to use the 5mins of FOH discussion time I usually get per gig to work on the sounds I use for more than 60 seconds :roflmao:

Hey all,
been lurking on and off here for years and sometimes asking silly gear related questions. These threads have been a real treasure chest of information on the bass side of the stoner genre. Our band started to gig more seriously after the pandemic and last year and we decided to record and mix one of our live shows. Here is one my favorite takes. Would love to hear any feedback from you guys!

Cheers!


Love it! Your sound has a cool balance between punchy mid growl and low rumble.
Care to share some tone secrets? Is the dirt just from the orange and how much mic vs. DI (from orange too?) made it to the final mix? Thats some active Ibanez it looks like. I dig how the treble is tamed. Even the slaps sound nice and sludgy.
 
Greetings. Longtime lurker/occasional poster (I am a regular on the other thread like this--ambient/post-rock etc).

I've got a new record out that may interest some of you. it's touch guitar, though played a lot in the bass range. We originally thought we were going to be doom but it's not quite that. Will try again next record.

 
Hey all,

been lurking on and off here for years and sometimes asking silly gear related questions. These threads have been a real treasure chest of information on the bass side of the stoner genre. Our band started to gig more seriously after the pandemic and last year and we decided to record and mix one of our live shows. Here is one my favorite takes. Would love to hear any feedback from you guys!



Cheers!

You guys sound great! I'm getting an early Tool vibe? Especially your singer. When he first started I got a MJK vibe. All of which is a very good thing.
 
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Thanks so much guys!

Care to share some tone secrets? Is the dirt just from the orange and how much mic vs. DI (from orange too?) made it to the final mix? Thats some active Ibanez it looks like. I dig how the treble is tamed. Even the slaps sound nice and sludgy.
Sure! I asked our guitarist, who did the final mix, and we're thinking it might've been a 50 - 50 mix of DI and mic or just DI. He promised to check the project file and I'll PM you more details later if you're interested. The signal chain here is an old German Warwick Streamer PJ, old dead Rotosounds, EBS Multicomp on tube sim setting going into an Darkglass X Ultra preamp. I'm actually not playing through the Orange amp here. I used an Eden Nemesis amp into an Orange 2x12 cab. The preamp is set on the verge of breaking up and the distortion comes mostly from hitting the strings stupid hard. Not the most stoner metal setup, but it works great for me :bassist:

You guys sound great! I'm getting an early Tool vibe? Especially your singer. When he first started I got a MJK vibe. All of which is a very good thing.
Haha, we're tool heads for sure. Thanks!
 
Same boat, have been for some time. I held out on the dream of I could take a leave of absence, but who was I kidding, that'd never go over well. I've resolved to I'm game to do a weekend or long weekend mini tour, but still a long ways from that happening at this point.



Same here, I think the most I did was seriously slow down acquisition and create a better framework of what constitutes need to keep vs, I'll pick another one up someday in the future, and it's great but I just won't give it justice and I should move it. Slimming things down a bit already, and will continue to this year.

This year I will either start the building of my 412 or redesign and re-shell my ampeg 610 as a sealed 610. I can't find the T/S parameters of the speakers though, so maybe there's going to be some trial and error involved.

I also plan to start recording and getting our band out of hiatus.
You get that band back on stage and we're booking a show together
 
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My back needs me to downsize from 610 +210 to a portable setup. Looking at mesa subway stuff if it finally becomes available in europe. However, I wonder how those lightweight cabs fair with heavy fuzz or distortion.

Can anyone recommend a portable live setup that makes you feel as good as cranked tube head into fridge?
Cabs with neo speakers like the GK Neos are small but still loud. And i love my quilter amps, tiny, light and full of power.
 
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