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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

True story! But, damn! I tought at least in the US there would be a decent stoner scene left.


Thanks so much for sharing your experience!! Will have to experiment with sealed vs. ported a bit more. the pf210he is on the list now!

Side note: I gave up on the meatbox dream already. Allows me to use the 5mins of FOH discussion time I usually get per gig to work on the sounds I use for more than 60 seconds :roflmao:



Love it! Your sound has a cool balance between punchy mid growl and low rumble.
Care to share some tone secrets? Is the dirt just from the orange and how much mic vs. DI (from orange too?) made it to the final mix? Thats some active Ibanez it looks like. I dig how the treble is tamed. Even the slaps sound nice and sludgy.

For sure! On the meatbox side, I found with an HPF I got solid sound. I opted for the Downer to cover both in one pedal.
 
Cool stuff man!

Hey all,

been lurking on and off here for years and sometimes asking silly gear related questions. These threads have been a real treasure chest of information on the bass side of the stoner genre. Our band started to gig more seriously after the pandemic and last year and we decided to record and mix one of our live shows. Here is one my favorite takes. Would love to hear any feedback from you guys!



Cheers!
 
Cross-post from the Fuzz Addict Club - there's been a decent discussion of CMC Effects take on the various iterations of Muffs lately, and I decided to try one out. If any of you are in the market, I'd recommend checking them out.

The CMC Civil War did not disappoint in my mix test this morning. The right amount of bass (not too much like some Russians, nor too little like many others), just enough treble and dirt to be heard but not harsh, and I can see myself really using two of the three diode options (SIL and LED). I have a preference for SIL, as I find it more open and natural sounding with less compression, but I can see both getting used. As an even better bonus, I have plenty left on the sustain knob - it's only at 9:00! I briefly turned it up to 10:30 to see how that sounded, and I quite enjoyed it too if I need something a little heavier. These settings work on both of my main basses with different tunings (5 strings with a standard tuned one and one tuned a whole step down) and with each of the songs/styles I mentioned previously. Overall, I'm really enjoying this pedal, and really tempted to get more CMC Muffs - especially his Russian takes. If this one is the most aggressive, and I've got it at 9:00-10:30 on the sustain knob, I'm interested to see what I can coax out of more gain on the less aggressive offerings.

Random (and serious, non-troll) question - who uses GE diodes on a Muff? I feel like every time I have that option, it's too loose, indistinct, and with no definition. But it seems a popular option as many Muffs have it. So what am I missing? Is it just not anywhere near my tonal goals (which is certainly possible)? Is it a temperature thing (don't GE diodes change characteristics with temperature, or is that something else...) and my basement is too cold? Is it a "guitar" thing and doesn't do as well on bass? Just curious, as it's something that must clearly get used by many people, but I have never seen anything useful from it.



Back to doom talk - anybody snowed in? What are you jamming to? I need to add to my repertoire again, just because. I'm really trying to be productive this year, and keep up some of the positive things I've been working on the past few months. Doing a dry January, likely turning into a dry few months, getting back to my reading routine after nearly two months of being slammed at work, getting sick, and just life preventing me from being able to focus on a book, and continuing to try and dwindle down my pedal collection. Later today I'm dropping off my old Peavey guitar amps for some TLC since they're both current out of commission. They're both ~30 years old, and one has been in decline for a while, but the other just died last week out of the blue. Similar symptoms, and I'm sure it's an easy fix, but I'm even more sure that I'm NOT the one to do it...
 
What are the hivemind's thoughts (or is it "What is the hivemind's thought" since a hivemind is one single entity...) regarding balanced tension strings? I think I'm going to restring two of my basses, and have decided to stick with the D'Addario medium set as a base since I like that for my downtuned 5 string. These other basses will also have different tunings, but be 4 strings. May end up going down to C for one of them, so maybe I need something besides the typical medium gauge (balanced tension or not) for that? The other set may end up being tuned a half step down, so I could probably get away with regular gauge if needed, but like a little stiffness so will probably do medium regardless.

Anyway, my gut says to get the balanced tension set because the strings are thicker gauge than the standard medium set, and that would translate to being a bit more stiff, which I'd like since these will be looser when tuned lower. I have never had any experience with balanced tension, and can't really say I know much about them besides what the name itself implies. Thanks for the input.
 
What are the hivemind's thoughts (or is it "What is the hivemind's thought" since a hivemind is one single entity...)
A single entity can have multiple thoughts though.

for example. This part of the entity has never heard of balanced tension strings, but is very happy with the TI jazz with a bit floppy E
 
A single entity can have multiple thoughts though.

for example. This part of the entity has never heard of balanced tension strings, but is very happy with the TI jazz with a bit floppy E
An excellent point!

Today my goal is to learn "Into The Void" by Sabbath. But I hate weird tunings for a single song unless absolutely necessary (like if there are a bunch of open strings to high register jumps and whatnot). So I guess I'm going to try and transcribe it to my 5 string. Should at least be a good exercise!
 
Well, "Into The Void" is about 80% good to go. I think I've got it all, but I haven't actually played it all in one go yet. Only the last bit left to do, and I just learned that part, which was pretty simple. Also used the opportunity to keep messing with my fuzzes. The CMC Civil War is a great Muff, but I'm thinking I would prefer the other Russian variants a bit more. So I guess I need to grab those now... And as always, I was able to get my Swollen Pickle to cover the same ground with a bit of tweaking. It seems that all I really need to change on that pedal to get any of the tones I like is the internal clip knob, and slight adjustments to the filter and crunch knobs. Occasionally sustain. But wow - always amazed at the ground that thing can cover. It's like 90% of the tone of each of my boutique Muffs, and sometimes better in some ways than them. For the Civil War comparison, the Pickle's lows are more compressed, but not much. Still, noticeable, and for what the CMC stuff goes for, I'm happy to support a small builder.
 
Man, just found this and am absolutely stunned by Geezers tone here:


Wonder if thats just the preamp or some petal too (and post-production probably). Sounds super massive!

Edit: Looking at his settings, seems drive is all from the amp and additional compression added in mixing if any. Also interesting Eq: -10db at 100Hz and 2.6kHz, -8db at 180Hz and 5kHz. Still sounds so whoolly and big at the bottom.
 
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Cross-post from the Fuzz Addict Club - there's been a decent discussion of CMC Effects take on the various iterations of Muffs lately, and I decided to try one out. If any of you are in the market, I'd recommend checking them out.

The CMC Civil War did not disappoint in my mix test this morning. The right amount of bass (not too much like some Russians, nor too little like many others), just enough treble and dirt to be heard but not harsh, and I can see myself really using two of the three diode options (SIL and LED). I have a preference for SIL, as I find it more open and natural sounding with less compression, but I can see both getting used. As an even better bonus, I have plenty left on the sustain knob - it's only at 9:00! I briefly turned it up to 10:30 to see how that sounded, and I quite enjoyed it too if I need something a little heavier. These settings work on both of my main basses with different tunings (5 strings with a standard tuned one and one tuned a whole step down) and with each of the songs/styles I mentioned previously. Overall, I'm really enjoying this pedal, and really tempted to get more CMC Muffs - especially his Russian takes. If this one is the most aggressive, and I've got it at 9:00-10:30 on the sustain knob, I'm interested to see what I can coax out of more gain on the less aggressive offerings.

Random (and serious, non-troll) question - who uses GE diodes on a Muff? I feel like every time I have that option, it's too loose, indistinct, and with no definition. But it seems a popular option as many Muffs have it. So what am I missing? Is it just not anywhere near my tonal goals (which is certainly possible)? Is it a temperature thing (don't GE diodes change characteristics with temperature, or is that something else...) and my basement is too cold? Is it a "guitar" thing and doesn't do as well on bass? Just curious, as it's something that must clearly get used by many people, but I have never seen anything useful from it.



Back to doom talk - anybody snowed in? What are you jamming to? I need to add to my repertoire again, just because. I'm really trying to be productive this year, and keep up some of the positive things I've been working on the past few months. Doing a dry January, likely turning into a dry few months, getting back to my reading routine after nearly two months of being slammed at work, getting sick, and just life preventing me from being able to focus on a book, and continuing to try and dwindle down my pedal collection. Later today I'm dropping off my old Peavey guitar amps for some TLC since they're both current out of commission. They're both ~30 years old, and one has been in decline for a while, but the other just died last week out of the blue. Similar symptoms, and I'm sure it's an easy fix, but I'm even more sure that I'm NOT the one to do it...

I bought a CMC russian here on a whim and it’s become my #1…only because the Swollen Pickle is so fiddly.

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Man, just found this and am absolutely stunned by Geezers tone here:


Wonder if thats just the preamp or some petal too (and post-production probably). Sounds super massive!

Edit: Looking at his settings, seems drive is all from the amp and additional compression added in mixing if any. Also interesting Eq: -10db at 100Hz and 2.6kHz, -8db at 180Hz and 5kHz. Still sounds so whoolly and big at the bottom.

I love everything about this. One of my favorite Sabbath songs.

I bought a CMC russian here on a whim and it’s become my #1…only because the Swollen Pickle is so fiddly.

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It is fiddly, but it just has so many tones... I'm seriously debating putting a couple of them on my guitar board for various tones. It can go from HM-2 territory to Russian Muff, and all sorts of stuff in between. I even got it relatively close to my TightMetal pedal!

I just pre-ordered CMC's Russian Muffs - one each Tall Font and Bubble Font. For the price, I can't say no to an amazing pedal like that. Should be here early March. I get the feeling that your settings will be similar to mine, but I usually prefer silicon and will probably have "Shape" around 3:00.
 
I love everything about this. One of my favorite Sabbath songs.



It is fiddly, but it just has so many tones... I'm seriously debating putting a couple of them on my guitar board for various tones. It can go from HM-2 territory to Russian Muff, and all sorts of stuff in between. I even got it relatively close to my TightMetal pedal!

I just pre-ordered CMC's Russian Muffs - one each Tall Font and Bubble Font. For the price, I can't say no to an amazing pedal like that. Should be here early March. I get the feeling that your settings will be similar to mine, but I usually prefer silicon and will probably have "Shape" around 3:00.

it’s funny you mention that. It took me a long time to tweak the SP just the way I wanted it (stupid internal pots…) and it sounds fantastic…but within 3 minutes of trying this CMC on my board I got almost exactly the same sound I struggled to find in the SP, oddly enough, with LED over Si.

i do love the SP but it’s probably going to lose its spot on the board to a compressor pedal, eventually.
 
it’s funny you mention that. It took me a long time to tweak the SP just the way I wanted it (stupid internal pots…) and it sounds fantastic…but within 3 minutes of trying this CMC on my board I got almost exactly the same sound I struggled to find in the SP, oddly enough, with LED over Si.

i do love the SP but it’s probably going to lose its spot on the board to a compressor pedal, eventually.

I understand that completely, and if there was a single thing I'd change, it would be to put the internal controls on the outside. I definitely use the voice knob a lot. That fiddliness exactly why I am getting more CMC Muffs! The Pickle is probably the best Swiss Army Muff in existence, but it's not exact to ALL of the variations out there. And I do like the CMC Civil War's handling of the lows a touch more than the Pickle's. If you know you want a certain type of Muff, it's definitely easier to get a clone of that variant and go for it. The CMCs (well, the one I have and from what I've heard overall) are all very versatile in their variant, but the Pickle is just crazy versatile overall. If I could have only one Muff, the Pickle would likely be it as it covers so much ground. But thankfully, I'm not in that position!

I'll likely end up using the Pickle for guitar, as I like gainier Muff tones for guitar, and it's been beating out the Pharaoh Supreme and Supercollider for that, not to mention the other tones it can do quite well. I'm hoping one of the CMCs is just a bit gainier than the Pharaoh Supreme on bass, as I really like it, but it goes from not enough grit to harsh and too much before I can get the tone I'm looking for. I should keep digging, though! And I won't be able to test anything out on guitar for a few weeks at least - I dropped off my old Peavey amps the other day and it'll be roughly a month before they can be checked out.
 
Spent the day/weekend comparing pedals, locking down "Into The Void", reading a favorite author (Tolkien), and baking with my son. It was a great (long) weekend!

Here are some gear findings/musings:
1. If you want to solve your pedal storage dilemma, the answer is to take them out of storage and put them on your board. Boom - more space in storage! (In other words, the HM-2s are back on the boards...)
2. I love HM-2s. Cheap, boutique, OG, whatever. I spent way too much time today jamming along to various songs with a number of HM-2s to figure out which one I wanted on each of my boards. I went with the Bear Amps Heavier Metal (which I NEVER hear about!) for board 1 and the Arion Metal Master (which I also NEVER hear about!) for board 2. Considering the price difference, the Arion is a standout for me, and beat out the Throat Locust. But I also tried some old HM-2s, and came to love the Rocktek Metal Worker too...
3. I think I like "Rats" (Volt Thrower clones today) best at relatively low gain. Right now, I've got mine set for a low gain "crunch" (I'm terrible with tone words...) with similar saturation to my Pork Loin, but with more bite if that makes any sense. Maybe low mids and just enough treble to be heard in the Pork Loin and high mids and bite in the Volt Throwers. But similar amounts of distortion in the signal if that makes sense. There is plenty of clean tone in the signal of the Volt Thrower via the internal trimmers.
4. I think I've become a big fan of Russian Muffs. I'm digging the Civil War, got the Swollen Pickle right there tonally, and am stoked to be getting the CMC Muffs on pre-order. I'm also - as always - in awe of the versatility of the Swollen Pickle. I basically just adjusted the internal clip knob a good deal, and then barely tweaked the filter and sustain knobs. Another excellent tone that sounds incredibly close to my CMC Civil War.

Guess that's all for now. Hope you all had as good a weekend as I did.
 
I just pre-ordered CMC's Russian Muffs - one each Tall Font and Bubble Font. For the price, I can't say no to an amazing pedal like that. Should be here early March. I get the feeling that your settings will be similar to mine, but I usually prefer silicon and will probably have "Shape" around 3:00.

Oh nice he added the Tall Font version! I'm definitely grabbing that! Thanks for the heads up! :D
 
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