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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Gibson initially kept the Epiphone quality high, as sort of a mirror brand, plus offered features/models that Gibson didn’t have. I don’t know what the marketing/import quirks were, but that is why you’d see many British Invasion bands use them instead of Gibson. About 1970, Gibson reverted the name to Japanese made budget models that had a vague resemblance to the older stuff, but still looked cheesy. This was in addition to the US made Melody Maker beginner/budget line(the equivalent of Duo Sonic/Mustang) which was being phased out. There was another related budget brand, Kalamazoo, which I never quite figured out where they fit in. The Epiphone brand eventially faded away until the name was revived in the 80’s/90’s, and applied to Korean made instruments(initially)that mimiced the classic Gibson designs and were of a higher quality, the counterpart of what Fender was doing with Squier. Then there is the Orville line, which, like Fender Japan, is of high quality, but not meant to be marketed in the US and Europe(I think).
Kalamazoo, afaik was made from cheaper bits like mdf, were bolt on necks, cheaper hardware, etc. They were made at the Gibson plant (in Kalamazoo, hence the name) and was the 60s budget line.

Gibson thought of Epi at that time as the mid level brand. I believe Kalamazoo ceased at the end of the 60s when Gibson shifted Epi to budget Japanese made guitars.
 
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Saw Chelsea Wolfe a few days ago and what a show! Her versatility is amazing and she does everything so well :)


Bros.

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It's like the Miku stomp without the ridiculous price or licensing issues!! Love it

Morrowind is up there for me. I put sooo many hours into that game back in the day. I kinda want to go back and play it again now that I have a laptop again.

Skyrim Doing another playthrough right now (AE on Switch). It's gaming comfort food. Lol. I worry that the shortcomings of Morrowind might make me enjoy it less now. (The lack of waypoints, vague directions, terrible journal/quest tracking). Though Morrowind was fun to absolutely break in ways even Skyrim couldn't be broken, lol. It's part of the charm.

I played a bunch of Oblivion too, but Morrowind hit at the right time of my life. I wasn't gaming much when Oblivion came out so I have way less into that game.

Y'all Morrowind fans might get a kick out of Morag Tong. I saw them post on Reddit a while back and thought "wow what a bunch of nerds. I gotta check this out." I quite enjoyed it.
 
Another cross-post from the Fuzz Addict thread:

More thoughts on the CMC Elk/Hizumitas and Ram's Head for bass:

I got to run them through my #2 bass rig (400RB-IV and Neo 410) today and compare to the fuzz on that rig - the CMC Tall Font.

Elk/Hizumitas: Similar bass response to the Tall Font, but more scooped as well. (I feel that I need a fuzz with a decent amount of bass push on this rig, as it doesn't reproduce the natural lows as much as my 700RB-II.) Also looser in the distortion. I'd say this one has the loosest lows AND the loosest feel of the distortion, as well as plenty of gain. Great for wall of sludge, as the scoop seems to keep clarity in the distortion for much of the tonal spectrum, but the extra lows and looseness also lost some of the clarity in the lower end of the tonal spectrum. Slow and droning riffs would likely work well, and the wall of distortion could really be a great tone if that's what you're wanting, but this isn't what I'm after. My least favorite of the CMC Muffs on bass, though I can also see how some people would really want this tone.

Ram's Head: This was closer to my Bubble Font/Tall Font tone than expected on rig #2, though it was always gainier. I DID have to change the settings drastically from the "standard" settings I have on my CMCs. (For reference, those are silicon diodes, Tone from 11:00-1:00, Shape typically from 3:00 to max, and Sustain from 9:00-10:30.) The Sustain knob really seems to change the tone as you sweep it higher, adding plenty of treble bite. I ended up having Sustain at 8:00, Tone at 11:00, and Shape at 12:00. This got a fairly even fuzz tone with plenty of grit and aggression, but also carried enough lows to have some "oomph". It's not as heavy on the lows as any of the Russian varieties (TF/BF/CW) but isn't lacking either. While this ultimately won't replace my two favorites on bass, it's a worthy addition to the tonal arsenal.

I also got to check them out on my guitar rigs today. Here are those results:

Elk/Hizumitas: Similar findings to my bass notes above, but I do think I like this better on guitar than bass. I also prefer slightly less mids on guitar than bass, so that makes sense with the scoop. It's raw and aggressive, and I can see it being used for some sort of dirty rock and roll type stuff with a single guitar being able to take up a lot of sonic space. For whatever reason, I think Jack White, though I can't say I'm AT ALL familiar with his rig. But something along those lines. It's obviously incredibly similar to the EQD Hizumitas, so if you're familiar with Boris, it's that tone. I can't say I'm terribly familiar with that band either, but I've listened to some of their videos demoing the Hizumitas, and that's pretty much it.

Ram's Head: This really surprised me on guitar. Compared to my Civil War, it's definitely shier on the lows, and a bit fuzzier and looser, but can get similar tones with tweaking. The Ram's Head is a bit brighter and gainier overall (though at the same time, I ended up using far less gain on the Ram's Head than the Civil War...). It didn't quite have the clarity or note separation of the Civil War, but was very close. The clarity was a little less due to the looser gain inherent in the Ram's Head (which I think is why I ended up using less gain - to try and tighten it up slightly). As I kept switching between the RH, CW, and my FatMetal Pro, I found them all more alike than different at my preferred settings. For reference, one of my main tonal goals on guitar is to be able to play a convincing Tony Iommi tone - not going for the exact tone, but similar enough. I found that each of these could do different versions of that tone. The FatMetal Pro seemed to be most similar to his most current tones (high gain, solid lows, plenty of bite without fizz), the Civil War is a mix of current and vintage early 70's (high gain, solid lows, looser distortion feel with more brittle highs), and the Ram's Head is vintage early 70's (plenty of treble bite and aggression, some brittleness in the highs, fewer lows). Because my FatMetal Pro and Civil War are so similar in tone, with the CW really only being somewhat looser in the lows and a slightly fizzier in the distortion (especially the highs), the Ram's Head made a solid showing on my #1 guitar rig. However, it really shone through on rig #2, and may take a permanent place there instead of the Swollen Pickle. With the exception of Sustain being at 8:00, this is pretty much using only my "standard" bass settings mentioned above - Tone at 12:00 and Shape cranked. It's not quite as articulate as my Civil War on guitar rig #1, but it's darn close, and definitely more similar to it than the Swollen Pickle. This could easily go between guitar rigs #1 and #2 depending on my needs/current mood.

Thanks for reading my essay! I've also decided to start a thread/group for CMC since I seem to love talking about them. Love to see you all over there if you'd like to talk about them as well!
 
Thanks for all the deep breakdowns and thoughts. I find it difficult myself to really put into words those things. I definitely have had a parallel with the Ram's head muffs I've tried, albeit limited numbers.

The Elk is interesting, maybe it's the hizumitas that I tried, but I thought I God solid mids for a muff on it in certain points on the filter. However, I do run extremely heavy on the mids from my amp, so maybe that's it. And I have only tried it with basses that had flats. I completely agree with all the other reflections on it though. I never tried it in the mix, cool to know that it fits that well. And hell, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm just tone deaf on mids.
 
Thanks for all the deep breakdowns and thoughts. I find it difficult myself to really put into words those things. I definitely have had a parallel with the Ram's head muffs I've tried, albeit limited numbers.

The Elk is interesting, maybe it's the hizumitas that I tried, but I thought I God solid mids for a muff on it in certain points on the filter. However, I do run extremely heavy on the mids from my amp, so maybe that's it. And I have only tried it with basses that had flats. I completely agree with all the other reflections on it though. I never tried it in the mix, cool to know that it fits that well. And hell, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm just tone deaf on mids.
I'll admit that I'm not a tone/EQ genius by any stretch, and my observation is just that it is definitely more scooped than the others. I also boost mids at the amp to avoid any scoop (typically low mids at 1:30-2:00 and high mids at 2:00-3:00), but even with boosted mids, it was apparent the Elk had fewer mids than other Muffs. But you never know, that may be exactly what some people want/need. It's not a bad tone, just not my tone. It's higher gain than I prefer on bass for sure, but I don't mind higher gain on guitar as much. I've got one bass with flats at the moment, but it's also a very different tone in general from my other basses, so it wouldn't be much of a useful comparison. It's a P/J versus all my others with a dual humbucker setup. Maybe I'll give it a run through tonight just for fun.
 
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Y'all Morrowind fans might get a kick out of Morag Tong. I saw them post on Reddit a while back and thought "wow what a bunch of nerds. I gotta check this out." I quite enjoyed it.

I dig them. Checked them out years ago once I saw the name. My friends in Iron Mountain, when they weren't writing songs about Dune, wrote this Morrowind inspired epic:
 
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On an impulse buy while browsing GC's used pedals, I grabbed an IdiotBox Mystery Effect #6. It's a PLL Fuzz that's noisy and glitchy as hell. It's got one and two octave down generators too. So, I haven't even tried it out on bass, but it's a ton of fun on guitar. I think my Death Ray fuzz from IdiotBox would be about the same on bass, but it has controllable glitch, no controllable octave generators, and you can use an expression pedal to control the frequency of the PLL. Either way, love that I got the nasty little thing.

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I also got the first straight engineer/producer job I've ever had (gratis, naturally) finished. Two tween girls on drums and guitar with their mom on bass. It's basically a 4 track live recording with the bass added at my home studio later. I wish I was half as good as they are when I was that age, they rock.

 
Upgraded my FearFUL 12/6/1 and 12sub with full grills instead of the circular ones that just covered the speakers. Those kept falling off. Also did a fresh coat of paint on top of the Duratex while I was at it.
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I also have a Fearless 212 but any place big enough to require that has enough PA support that I only bring it because I have it not because I need it. I think the Fearful's sound better anyway with the Bass Butler because they're full range instead of the bass targeted Fearlesseseses. I also recently picked up a Quilter Bass Block which has me thinking I may need a second one just so I can split the Bass Butler to the Fearful (dirty) and Fearless (clean) using the XLR inputs. Of course, I'll never need that much power but it would be fun...
 
Spent the day jamming along and learning some old Metallica - Trapped Under Ice this time. Got it about 90% done, just a little work left to clean up my finger positioning and other minor adjustments. Played long enough that I developed some nice blisters on my picking fingers, so I ended up switching to pick, then to guitar when my forearm started to get worn out. So it was pretty great day! I did another deep dive into fuzz with my guitar rig, and have come back "home" for now. By which I mean I'm back to my old faithful fuzzes in the Pharaoh Supreme and Swollen Pickle, but both with much different settings than I've used in the past. Still digging the CMC Muffs for guitar, but I'll keep them in reserve for now. The Civil War is a bit gainier than either of those, but it's still an excellent and more aggressive tone. Definitely have a use for it! And the Widogast (Duniwch Wizard clone) performed admirably, but I still feel I'm fighting its natural aggressiveness. It may be too much for me, as it's tighter than most of my other fuzzes and certainly the gainiest fuzz I have.

Anyway, that's about it for me. Likely going to try and move some extra stuff locally, but that's been a long process. I'm slowly getting rid of it all, so it's working for now! Have a great 4th, fellow Americans, and if you're of the non-American persuasion, I suppose you can have a great day too!
 
Threw my other Muffs (Pickle & Pharaoh Supreme) back on my bass boards just because - definitely showed how scooped the CMCs are! They have massive and mushy low end compared to those, but are also more aggressive in the highs and crunchier overall. As expected, I keep jumping back and forth between which ones I prefer, but since I'm not actively jamming with anybody, I have that luxury! For now, the Pickle is the winner, but I spent plenty of time tweaking it to get it to sound more like the CMC Muffs I was using for my bass boards (Bubble Font and Tall Font). Now, its got the low end distortion of the CMCs (but NOT the big low end extension, not that the Pickle is short of lows by any stretch...), without the harsh highs (that don't sound harsh in the mix!), and a full range tone including mids. We'll see how long before I switch these again...

Current Pickle Bass Settings:
Voice: Max
Clip: 11:00
Scoop: Max
Crunch: 10:30
Filter: Noon
Sustain: 1:30

What may be most shocking is that these settings sound great on both of my bass rigs!

EDIT: I wonder what I could do if I purposely scooped just a little of the mids from the Pickle... I definitely like the bit of extra bass and treble cut of the CMCs, but if I could only get a little bit of that scoop to accent those features... Guess I know what I'm doing tomorrow!
 
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