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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

#16,762
Ron Now said:
Yeah I sold my bergs in search of louder and more low end. Replaced them with a dually and 66. Loved the low end, but missed the sealed cab tightness and how they move air. Sold the dually and got an ampeg heritage 8x10. So I've been using the 8x10 and 66 lately.

All that may be changing again soon though...

In the end I never should have sold my NV610. That's probably my favorite cab I've ever owned. The 8x10 sounds great, but the ease of moving/transport the berg puts it ahead overall in my book. Tonally they're in the same ballpark.

The 66 can handle a lot of power and produces an amazing amount of low end, but overall it's too hi-fi for me, no matter what I try, it's got way too much top end for me.
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It have the pad for the mid drivers?
 
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No pad on the 66. Tried disconnecting them all together and that worked for awhile, but now I've got it back stock.

I've thought of a crossover/LPF but having a cab that only does subs sounds weird when it is side by side with a full range cab. Could stack them both on their sides but then it becomes a whole new pain to deal with.
 
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ampegfuzz said:
It have the pad for the mid drivers?
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The '66 isn't designed with one in mind.
The F215 has one but that's the fearless line and its lows aren't "quite" as big.

The '66 is a bit of an anomaly to me in the fearful line. If the 15/6&15sub combo only "needs one mid driver." Then why does the '66 need two? It seems it's designed as such for higher power handling. Which begs the question of why aren't the 6's wired in series? Probably would have busted the crossover design.
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#16,766
Ron Now said:
No pad on the 66. Tried disconnecting them all together and that worked for awhile, but now I've got it back stock.

I've thought of a crossover/LPF but having a cab that only does subs sounds weird when it is side by side with a full range cab. Could stack them both on their sides but then it becomes a whole new pain to deal with.
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Have you tried the BFM subs? Could probably run a T60 low passed right next to your 810 running full range without too much hassle.
 
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mbelue said:
Shouldn't. Same drivers, and porting. Slightly different crossover.
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Ok because the depth of the sub was like 4" deeper than the 66 or 15'6 I thought, maybe that added something.

If I hated the high end of the cab, I'd just reduce my highs at my amp or before that. I am digging my lpf/hpf cap switch designs on my basses. If you can eliminate certain frequencies you know won't do you any good, cut them at the source.
 
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Blank_0101 said:
Ok because the depth of the sub was like 4" deeper than the 66 or 15'6 I thought, maybe that added something.

If I hated the high end of the cab, I'd just reduce my highs at my amp or before that. I am digging my lpf/hpf cap switch designs on my basses. If you can eliminate certain frequencies you know won't do you any good, cut them at the source.
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The sub is cube shaped as opposed to the tall rectangle format of the 15/6. Also doesn't have a midchamber so space is saved there.

For people who play clean cutting at the source is a very viable option. For me though distortions and overdrives need that high end to sound good, even if you are just going to removeit with amp EQ or cabinet response.
 
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mbelue said:
For people who play clean cutting at the source is a very viable option. For me though distortions and overdrives need that high end to sound good, even if you are just going to removeit with amp EQ or cabinet response.
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Bingo.

I can cut out all sorts of high/treble with EQ's and whatnot but then my tone sounds like mush. I need some high end presence, as little treble as I do need, the natural roll off of a sealed 10" cab gives me the exact amount of high end that I need.

The 66 goes higher (and lower) so the appropriate amount of cut from my preamp/gain/bass doesn't translate the same, still too high for my tastes.
 
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Ron Now said:
Bingo.

I can cut out all sorts of high/treble with EQ's and whatnot but then my tone sounds like mush. I need some high end presence, as little treble as I do need, the natural roll off of a sealed 10" cab gives me the exact amount of high end that I need.

The 66 goes higher (and lower) so the appropriate amount of cut from my preamp/gain/bass doesn't translate the same, still too high for my tastes.
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That super modern, hi-fi thing, like a 66 is the ultimate for some folks and not so much for others. You could address different strategies for how to deal with that, but it's pretty clear after trying a bunch of different things, you simply prefer sealed cabs. I totally get that, though I don't think I would've a couple years ago. There are several Greenboy cabs I like and use, but it's silly to think there's one solution for everyone. I've been goofing around with a sealed cab I built to experiment with. They're a different world for sure and I really like the one I've been using. Still building different prototypes, including a sealed 218. One model is a simple 218 and another uses mid drivers, though they aren't as forward sounding as what you'd hear on a 66 for example.
 
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