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Streamliner by Bugera?
- Thread starter CharlieC
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Cone control for less than wonderful drivers?
Maybe. Big XMAX drivers cause big air movement and with those grills, it seems big air would bounce back off those grills and cause distortion, possibly. I'm no expert but it seems logical, Captain...
If these are in fact a copy of the Streamliner which uses the ICEpower module it would indeed have high voltage present in the switching power supply. Andy from Genz chimed in on my homemade Eden WTX900 thread that I used a Genz power section to build and confirmed it had 300+ volts in the supply.
Your forgetting one very important factor here and that is the fact the China doesn't recognize US Patent laws. In other words, they don't give cr*p if their companies rip of US products, or not. From what I saw at NAMM this amp is a total rip off of the Streamliner with the TC handle built in. The thing I don't get is Behringer actually has some very talented engineers at their disposal. They are perfectly capable of designing their own products, yet choose the business model of copying and undercutting the price as their normal way of doing business. Fact is that Chinese companies just look at this as a totally acceptable way of doing business and they don't give it a second thought, yet we continue to send our products overseas for them to make. Sorry to rant here, but this stuff hits close to home for me and drives me nuts.
I highly doubt they would use an IcePower module. They would just copy one and build their own version of it.
They don't use B&O's ICEPower modules in their newer power amp designs (iNuke series), which makes me think they wouldn't here either. The iNukes use a proprietary PCB design, which makes use of a power mosfet driver chip made by International Rectifier:
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This is fairly typical of Behringer in my experience. They seem to prefer laying out their own circuit PCBs, using common, off-the-shelf ICs and components. When a particular IC is scarce or expensive and there is no off-the-shelf alternative, they will even roll their own IC designs.
I completely agree! I didn't expect for a second that Bugera actualy used an ICE power module. The comment was made because earlier in this thread it was questioned on Bugeras marketing claim that this amp used "High Voltage". My point was only to point out that IF they copied the ICE power module they likely will actually have "High voltage" in their amp. That's all.
Got that right and I could add a whole lot more but it would get me in hot water with the mods soooo, I'll just be a good boy and keep my mouth shut.
Keep up the GREAT work Mr. Baer! Your cabs are awesome.
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I dont care where a product is made.. But i Agree with you Mr Baer.
I have been boycotting Berringer since they ripped off Mackie back in the early 90s.. I think Sam Ash had something to do with them. Not 100 % sure.
One thing that i know for sure is that Beringer is " All Hat, No Cattle"
I have been boycotting Berringer since they ripped off Mackie back in the early 90s.. I think Sam Ash had something to do with them. Not 100 % sure.
One thing that i know for sure is that Beringer is " All Hat, No Cattle"
Both the streamliner and bugera look like some old take on a stereo receiver or CB radio.
Outside looks are just part of the story. Inside is different. If there's layouts people like then big deal. B* probably had a focus group tell them what a class-d bass amp should look like. I don't like the looks of the streamliner but nobody asked me.
My point on the high voltage is that B* is bulleting for their all solid-state model:
"High-voltage MOSFET preamplifier gives you the sound and feel of an authentic tube amp"
What's high voltage on MOSFET got to do with it?
Really for me, I'm not out for a tube amp feel. I need solid response and reliability. Here's hoping they put a bypass switch on the tube pre model. It will save them some service calls.
Outside looks are just part of the story. Inside is different. If there's layouts people like then big deal. B* probably had a focus group tell them what a class-d bass amp should look like. I don't like the looks of the streamliner but nobody asked me.
My point on the high voltage is that B* is bulleting for their all solid-state model:
"High-voltage MOSFET preamplifier gives you the sound and feel of an authentic tube amp"
What's high voltage on MOSFET got to do with it?
Really for me, I'm not out for a tube amp feel. I need solid response and reliability. Here's hoping they put a bypass switch on the tube pre model. It will save them some service calls.
The only way they're put that switch on it is if they could copy someone else's design and then build it with cheap chinese parts. They don't do anything requiring original thought.
They probably didn't need to as it's unlikely that anyone would confuse a car with a bass amp.
Another poster mentioned that it's also a river. Just because Veyron's also the name of a place doesn't really matter much -- it can still be trademarked for specific contexts. There was a recent example in the bicycling world where Specialized (who licenses the trademark on the name 'Roubaix' for use in the bicycling industry in the US) went after a small Canadian bike shop called Cafe Roubaix. It ended up being a huge PR disaster for Specialized, but it illustrated that trademarking place names is fully legal even if it's a little weird.
Hello all,
I'm a product specialist for MUSIC Group/Bugera, and would be glad to answer any questions about the new Veyron amp heads. The overall response to these new amps was extremely positive at the recent NAMM show, and I'll be happy to answer any questions I can about the amps themselves, or will interface with the R&D people for any answers I don't have at the moment.
Thank you, and please feel free to PM me or post questions here.
I'm a product specialist for MUSIC Group/Bugera, and would be glad to answer any questions about the new Veyron amp heads. The overall response to these new amps was extremely positive at the recent NAMM show, and I'll be happy to answer any questions I can about the amps themselves, or will interface with the R&D people for any answers I don't have at the moment.
Thank you, and please feel free to PM me or post questions here.
Thank you, Sean!
Your appearance here and offer to answer questions is appreciated and duly noted.
Having not yet heard the new amp heads, with all due respect, my only question at this time is simply why do they more than greatly resemble another well-known and respected amplifier line, to almost every "trademark" detail? The same could be said about the speaker cabinets featured with them at the recent NAMM show.
Thank you in advance and I look forward to your reply.
Cheers!
Chef
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Wow; you're brave, to wade into this one.
All you TB users play nice whilst talking to this gent. Thanks.
All you TB users play nice whilst talking to this gent. Thanks.
Hi CharlieC,
And thanks for the kind words! I understand your question, and the reason for asking. I have read through the thread and I appreciate all the different opinions expressed within. Please understand that in my capacity, I am not equipped to speak to the design decisions and overall thematic choices that the company made on this product, but I am able to offer info about the amp itself and its functionality.
Thank you, and please do let me know if there's anything regarding the amp that you'd like to know about.
And thanks for the kind words! I understand your question, and the reason for asking. I have read through the thread and I appreciate all the different opinions expressed within. Please understand that in my capacity, I am not equipped to speak to the design decisions and overall thematic choices that the company made on this product, but I am able to offer info about the amp itself and its functionality.
Thank you, and please do let me know if there's anything regarding the amp that you'd like to know about.
Thank you, Chef!
I have a personal account on Talkbass and an account for work, and this is the latter. Offering information is a function of what I do at MUSIC Group, so it's really my pleasure. I appreciate everyone's candor and hope I can help.
I have a personal account on Talkbass and an account for work, and this is the latter. Offering information is a function of what I do at MUSIC Group, so it's really my pleasure. I appreciate everyone's candor and hope I can help.
Hi nshuman,
The guys over at Bass Gear Magazine (really great guys) were asking the same, and I am trying to facilitate a product review for them. The fact is that the amps we had at the show were not yet production-line models, and while I played through one myself there, we haven't shot any videos just yet. That being said, since I'm the "bass guy" on my team, this is a priority for me. The Veyron heads are a very new product, but I will be looking at making videos myself if need be when I am sent one of the production heads.
I will gladly update the thread when that happens! I know that giving my observations of it without any empirical evidence isn't really going to be valuable to anyone, so I think the video(s) or possible audio recordings will be best way to go.
The guys over at Bass Gear Magazine (really great guys) were asking the same, and I am trying to facilitate a product review for them. The fact is that the amps we had at the show were not yet production-line models, and while I played through one myself there, we haven't shot any videos just yet. That being said, since I'm the "bass guy" on my team, this is a priority for me. The Veyron heads are a very new product, but I will be looking at making videos myself if need be when I am sent one of the production heads.
I will gladly update the thread when that happens! I know that giving my observations of it without any empirical evidence isn't really going to be valuable to anyone, so I think the video(s) or possible audio recordings will be best way to go.
