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Subway+ Bass DI-Preamp II
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Couple questions:
—Is the HPF slope 24db/octave? IIRC that’s what the OG Subway+ pre had.
—Is there a Voicing control frequency chart or graph or sumpin that’s out there? Couldn’t find one.
Hope these aren’t too repetitive. I really did look but didn’t find anything. Thanks!
—Is the HPF slope 24db/octave? IIRC that’s what the OG Subway+ pre had.
—Is there a Voicing control frequency chart or graph or sumpin that’s out there? Couldn’t find one.
Hope these aren’t too repetitive. I really did look but didn’t find anything. Thanks!
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The slope for the HPF should be in the Specifications section of the user manual. I only have an early working draft of the manual handy where I was making edits in that area so I'm not 100% sure, but I think it is: HI-PASS Filter Range: 30Hz – 150Hz, 12dB/octave variable, 6dB/octave fixed
The voicing control has a number of interactive things going on throughout its rotation (i.e., it's not just a mid scoop control) and I don't think there has ever been a "curve" published in any of the Mesa manuals or on line.
Andy can correct me if I got that wrong!
Was also wondering about where that voicing mid dip starts and ends up as it rises in freq. when increased as described.
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I don’t have the schematic with me, but I’m pretty sure it follows the Bass 800D HPF scheme, which allowed me to capture a little more forgiving feel at the expense of brute force control and precision. It’s a very mild tradeoff that makes more sense in the pedal compared with a full amp because the design of the power amp offsets some of the tighter control. Otherwise, all models use the same HPF filter architecture with appropriate tuning for the product as a whole.
The voicing circuit is complex enough that it’s hard to describe accurately. Bands go up and down at different rates and also slide around as the control is turned. You are better off just using your ears for this function, as it can easily become misleading, resulting in false conclusions. Start with the control fully CCW and rotate CW until you are happy, it’s really that simple.
The voicing circuit is complex enough that it’s hard to describe accurately. Bands go up and down at different rates and also slide around as the control is turned. You are better off just using your ears for this function, as it can easily become misleading, resulting in false conclusions. Start with the control fully CCW and rotate CW until you are happy, it’s really that simple.
If you like tweaking there’s loads of really interesting interactions to be had between the voicing and EQ.
Thanks everyone! Appreciate the responses. Here’s a link to the manual. I was looking at a spec sheet and not the manual. Duh.
I’m on the hunt for a fun new preamp. For $200 this seems like a no brainer.
I’m on the hunt for a fun new preamp. For $200 this seems like a no brainer.
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Throw the deep and bright filters into that mix as well and you have even more!
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It's even more impressive in person than you might expect from just the spec sheet.
I know everyone here who already has one doesn't need to hear it, but this pre/DI is fantastic. I still have my Ampeg SCR-DI and I like that for what it is... but that is 100% already a backup at this point because of how great this Mesa pedal is. Not to mention the Ampeg cost more and does less. I can't thank @agedhorse enough for the quality of work that went into designing this pedal and bringing it to market at an amazing price.
I still feel like I've only scratched the surface of the pedal, but being able to get quality tones so quickly is definitely a positive.
I still feel like I've only scratched the surface of the pedal, but being able to get quality tones so quickly is definitely a positive.
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First, your choice to use "affecting" was 100% correct. Second, you are 100% reading the schematic correctly.
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....for extra reassurance, here is a section of the manual that attests to your excellent schematic reading skills and grammatical choice:
MASTER VOLUME – The MASTER control adjusts the output volume to the PREAMP OUTPUT and HEADPHONE OUTPUT jacks but does not affect the level to the DIRECT OUT in either pre or post EQ modes.
I really need to work on my manual reading chops.
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Don't feel too bad, I would probably be having the same problem except that I helped write it.
The scheme really makes sense when you think about it. The XLR will go to a controlled input in any case, while the line out could go any number of places, including an instrument level input - good to have a control. I too scratched my head for a bit.Don't feel too bad, I would probably be having the same problem except that I helped write it.
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I.have one of those laying around just in case LOLI guess when my Subway+ preamp comes, I’ll be retiring this. Ol’ standby…
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Do I need another Pre-amp pedal no absolutely not. Haven't bought a pedal in well over a year. I need a new amp which would also means buying a new cab. Unfortunately Adulting comes 1st.
I always loved Mesa Guitar Amps. Absolutely loved the Strategy & Prodigy. The 800D is tops on my short list of next amps. But what better way to jump on the Mesa Subway bandwagon than to get this pedal. I also have Magellan Pre-amp I haven't even considered replacing & still don't. But I've been considering putting together a smaller home practice pedalboard this would be a great place to start. There's also another preamp pedal I'm highly excited/interested in as well. I dig quality preamp pedals.
I always loved Mesa Guitar Amps. Absolutely loved the Strategy & Prodigy. The 800D is tops on my short list of next amps. But what better way to jump on the Mesa Subway bandwagon than to get this pedal. I also have Magellan Pre-amp I haven't even considered replacing & still don't. But I've been considering putting together a smaller home practice pedalboard this would be a great place to start. There's also another preamp pedal I'm highly excited/interested in as well. I dig quality preamp pedals.
I had the original Subway preamp +, it was really great but the form factor was a little too large for my pedal board. I am glad to see that Mesa has changed that. As far as sound, does the new version sound the same as the original or have enhancements been made there as well?
