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Suicide and those quietly considering it

#201
Damn, sorry man / it sucks and i wish him a healthy recovery from his injuries as well i hope it gives him just the sign he needs that life is too important to just stop.

Must be that time of year, we had another family member (distant) also successfully kill himself like 2-3 weeks ago.
He shot himself, when I say distant I mean like I've never even met this guy, and quite honestly I believe he's more one of my older bothers in laws or something.


From what I understand it was a husband wife situation and the wife was leaving him, I guess when he realized there was no chance at saving his marriage he decided he didn't want to live if living was w/o her. They had kids but I'm not sure about the ages, for whatever reason I want to say they were all adults.

What is sad on my end here is that it was the brother of a family member I am close with, so that's been crappy watching him go through this.
This is his second brother to commit suicide now, the first one did it 20-30 years ago at the age of 12 he hung himself in his closet.

Sad all the way around, his mom just passed about a year ago, now this plus his life's been in the dumps thanks to a nasty addiction to narcotic pain pills.
I've tried so hard to get him to stop them but he seems to feel like it's his only source of happiness.
He's more or less burned through $165,000.00
He received from his mothers death in less than a year and has nothing to show for it.

His problems are due to stupid decisions and poor choices but it's still sad to sit back and watch it happen.
 
#203
He slits his wrists horizontally then because if he did it vertically you couldn't stich that up. You'd severe your veins completely and not just the tissue on top of them.

Also BB guns actually could kill a person you'd have to have it point directly at the heart though with the barrel pressing up to your chest. You probably could Kurt Cobain yourself with a BB if you used a slug instead of a BB of course you'd have to mod the barrel to shoot a slug.
 
#205
blendermassacre said:
They stitched his wrist, and are removing the bb that he shot into his mouth. Turns out, you can't kill yourself with a bb gun, even if you're trying to really hard.

Mentally, he's still out there. He seems numb, but wants to leave.
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I hope he pulls through all of this okay.
Hopefully the people closest to him are already helping to make plans to get this guy in front of someone who can help him work through his emotions in a safer way.

I wish you and your friend the best of luck getting through this situation.
 
#207
masonsjax said:
I don't think anyone here needs the discussion to start heading that direction.
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I'm just saying hey it's possible. However I would never encourage anyone to do that.

Also crazy but, true:

If someone says they are going to commit suicide and you do nothing you can't be held liable.

Also if someone is about to commit suicide in your presence and you also do nothing you still can't be held liable.

However if you try to aid in someones suicide you are liable if they die or if they don't.

Just thought I'd let everyone know in case a situation comes up.
 
#208
I once owned a book FULL of worthless facts.

It too was page after page of uselessness.

And a good portion of the facts provided were completely wrong too.

Can't remember the title but it makes no difference I wouldn't recommend it anyway. : )
 
#211
XtheDeadPawn said:
He slits his wrists horizontally then because if he did it vertically you couldn't stich that up. You'd severe your veins completely and not just the tissue on top of them.

Also BB guns actually could kill a person you'd have to have it point directly at the heart though with the barrel pressing up to your chest. You probably could Kurt Cobain yourself with a BB if you used a slug instead of a BB of course you'd have to mod the barrel to shoot a slug.
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I saw the cut. It was vertical and deep. They stitched it closed...
 
#212
1SHOT1HIT said:
I hope he pulls through all of this okay.
Hopefully the people closest to him are already helping to make plans to get this guy in front of someone who can help him work through his emotions in a safer way.

I wish you and your friend the best of luck getting through this situation.
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Thanks. I'm one of his closest friends, and probably his most sane one. I'm hoping that the hospital can give him some info on getting help
 
#213
blendermassacre said:
I saw the cut. It was vertical and deep. They stitched it closed...
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This would be why MOST people don't pass off non factual advice based on nothing but urban legends and myth probably obtained from Yahoo answers or some other really credible : ) source, as good solid advice.
Then there are those few that will.

As you've seen for yourself, Doctors CAN definitely reattach the arteries and veins in a vertical incision and have been able to for a very long time.

Not only that but even if it's a jagged nasty cut the arteries and veins can be clamped off cleaned up and sections can be grafted in to repair the bad parts.
 
#214
blendermassacre said:
Thanks. I'm one of his closest friends, and probably his most sane one. I'm hoping that the hospital can give him some info on getting help
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Perhaps a revitalized band repertoire would prove to be therapeutic for your group's singer? Sitting around the kitchen table with an acoustic and learning new songs over a few beers might get him to open up.
 
#215
:D Glad to know I ticked someone off today.

In all seriousness I'm just listing some laws I found in my state.

Okay maybe you can survive a vertical cut.
But, the BB thing I know is possible.

Also facts are all really useless until we prove them ourselves.

Afterall the Freudian Slip recently became proven so it's no longer a theory.
 
#217
blendermassacre said:
I kind of feel ill equipped to handle it. I'd much rather him some out help professionally.
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I'd say it's worth a try, sometimes just knowing you have people that are close and want to be around you can be a powerful thing when going through tough times.

Your not possibly saying your ill equipped to be a friend are you? Because that's really all you can do and sometimes that's all you should do and may be all he needs you to do.

Some professional help is absolutely going to help but you may not be able to be involved there.
So offer what you can and that is just being there to help.
Don't act strange, weird or uncomfortable. Just be the same buddy he started hanging with back when you guys first started hanging out.
 
#218
But, don't totally ignore it either.

Whenever I'm in my depression lumps I'll never admit it but, you can defineatly see it on my face. However noone says anything which makes me feel saddder.

So you shouldn't really stare at him like "are you okay?" but, you also shouldn't look at him like nothings wrong. I only had one friend in my life that I called like family and she isn't in my life anymore don't know where she is. But, trust me right now he needs someone to tell him you'll get better not someone pretending as if that "thing" never happened.
 
#219
blendermassacre said:
I kind of feel ill equipped to handle it. I'd much rather him some out help professionally.
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Professional help is good but it's not a complete substitute for the breadth of real life interactions and bonding that friendships & musical partnerships are made of.

Just focus on the mutual creative side of your relationship as a catalyst to foster a more positive mindset and treat him normally. (Laughter is good. Are there any comedy clubs in your area? Do you have any funny movies or shared experiences?)

Until he's pulling up from his emotional nosedive he mustn't be left alone to wallow in that narrowing tunnel vision of hopeless despair.

If he broaches what's troubling him, be an attentive listener and ask him pertinent questions aimed at helping him to figure out his own problems.

Be a friend to the extent that you comfortably are without appearing to pry about anything. Just relax so that he can too.

Now that you know he's in need of help you're circumstantially on the hook to aid him as much as you can for your own peace of mind as well as his.

You don't want to find yourself suffering from a nightly bout of the if-only-I'd-haves at some point in the foreseeable future.

$0.02
 
#220
MIJ-VI said:
Professional help is good but it's not a complete substitute for the breadth of real life interactions and bonding that friendships & musical partnerships are made of.

Just focus on the mutual creative side of your relationship as a catalyst to foster a more positive mindset and treat him normally. (Laughter is good. Are there any comedy clubs in your area? Do you have any funny movies or shared experiences?)

Until he's pulling up from his emotional nosedive he mustn't be left alone to wallow in that narrowing tunnel vision of hopeless despair.

If he broaches what's troubling him, be an attentive listener and ask him pertinent questions aimed at helping him to figure out his own problems.

Be a friend to the extent that you comfortably are without appearing to pry about anything. Just relax so that he can too.

Now that you know he's in need of help you're circumstantially on the hook to aid him as much as you can for your own peace of mind as well as his.

You don't want to find yourself suffering from a nightly bout of the if-only-I'd-haves at some point in the foreseeable future.

$0.02
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Well said.
 

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