Suicide and those quietly considering it

[1SHOT1HIT]

Ones a victim only if they look at it that way. Suicide as others have pointed out takes planing and the desire to end it all. I stated I almost took my own life so I feel I can serve as a a judge for lack of a better term to these so called victims. I find them as cowards because I see their death as a cheap way out. Suicide causes pain it leaves broken hearts and I have no sympathy for these victims only those they left behind.

If you do good than for you I admit your a better human being than I am but, from how I view humanity that isn't saying much. It just means too me anyways that you feel sorry for fools. I for one have never felt sorry for those who hurt themselves on purpose I'd advise you to do the same however, it appears by your post you find my advice disgusting. Don't worry I find tomatoes disgusting.

As for your belief that the cowards are victims here's a newsflash we're all victims IF WE CHOOSE TO BE. I suffer from mental disorders so many in fact that I'm declared "Mentaly handicapped" aka "Mentally ********". Instead of going to trade school to make something of myself I could say "Oh, I failed at college silly me I should have known a mentally ******** person couldn't be a Doctor oh, well guess I'll collect wellfare for the rest of my life." No you see I expect more from myself and I don't expect a ounce less from anyother human being who suffers from mental disorders either.

My rule on the victim thing is we all got problems. I don't feel sorry for you if you commit suicide because you couldn't find the intestinal fortitude to pull through them (your problems).

Also I do not consider myself a coward because yes I did try to end my own life but, I didn't because I even at 11 or 12 had more b@LL$ than most adults I've met in life. I refuse to be a statistic as I said and your right just like them I hate the world and at times think about ending it all but, I never do. That isn't because I'm a chicken that's because I have more respect for my parents than to put them through burying their son. I'm not coward you see because while they yell I QUIT I yell out to life IS THAT THE BEST YOU GOT?

I judge the people I don't know because I almost commited suicide and you wanna know what goes through someones mind before they attempt it "LIFE ISN'T WORTH IT"

You proabaly never even attempted it yourself so let those who almost did judge those that did.

You wanna call me a coward go ahead.

But, answer me this who is the real coward a person who ended their life or a person that almost did and made himself better because of it?

If you can answer that and still call me a coward I'll give my psychatrists' number to ya'.

So because you ALMOST did it your all of a sudden a pro on the subject and feel you have them all figured out?

If I climb 50 feet up the side of Mt. Everest can I then be the spokes person for mountain climbers world wide?
If I join the military and go through the whole process of boot camp and deployment, but go AWOL just before the plane leaves for the Middle East.
Can I then run around telling everyone what its like to be a combat vet? And pass judgement on those that actually fought the fight?

Or maybe an astronaut that flew on the shuttle but right before it reached the edge of the atmosphere you jumped back to earth but , can now join Internet forums and tell dead astronauts families what their loved ones went through when they re-entered back into the atmosphere and exploded because you ALMOST did the same thing.

And you did it all at the very mature age of 11 or 12 and were able to grasp the full aspects of psychology behind it all while you ALMOST did it.


You say that you don't feel sorry for those cowards that do it, but you do feel sorry for the poor innocent victims those cowards leave behind.
YET YOU RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH about how the person they love which is deceased is a coward, not just on a quick slip of the tongue but repeatedly even after its been made very apparent that they don't view them that way and find it disrespectful for you to address them as such. Yet you continue to drive your disrespect home multiple times.
Again there are ways to say things and still maintain a certain level of decency and respect for people's loved ones.
But you choose to do it in an insulting way.

You asked me to answer a question for you,
You asked,,,
"who is the real coward a person who ended their life or a person that almost did and made himself better because of it?"

Out of all of the ways one can go about killing themselves, I can't think of a single one that wouldn't be the absolute hardest decision ANYONE could ever have to make. I can't think of one that seems easy to pick. I can't think of one that wouldn't absolutely take some incredible balls to actually go through with.
People say its the easy way out, what's easy about the very moment you put a pistol to your temple and know that everything you've ever known is about to end, everything you love is about to be gone, your kids are going to spend countless nights with nightmares, if you have religious beliefs you are taking some huge chances as to where and what your about to face.
All of your family, friends, and coworkers are going to hurt.
And yet you feel so helpless and defeated that in your mind there is NO other choice.
My uncle was sick, as in severely depressed and actually believed what he was doing was helping his children and keeping their mother from screwing their lives up.
Had he been okay and thinking straight he would absolutely have made different decisions as he had in years previous when he faced the exact same circumstances 22 times over the coarse of 20 years.
He was completely normal until doctors put him on anti depressants and then immediately switched him twice to two other types over a one month period.
He reached out for help to his doctor and told him he was having homicidal thoughts and all the guy did was bump up his meds and switch to another brand.
Basically exactly what should not be done when a patient is describing those type of side effects.

Calling someone a coward would mean that they made a calculated decision to dodge a harder or fearful situation.

Someone that is suffering a chemical imbalance in their brain from chronic depression mixed with a waterfall of chemical altering meds switching through constant ups and downs emotionally is better described as a victim of exactly that.

Severe depression, chemical imbalance, severe depletion of needed serotonin levels, anxiety, inability to think rationally, etc.
These are not controllable things. So no anyone in this position IS NOT a coward for doing what their mind has lead them to believe is necessary.


I don't know you so really , I can't say whether your a coward or not.
I question whether you've really done a whole lot to better yourself, seeing as how you entered this thread boasting almost about how hateful you are and how you fantasize about dying.

But IMHO you strike me as that typical attention starved person that surrounds themselves with suicide and stories of it, talks about how they have fantasies about dying as a shock tactic to grab people's attention, and desperately confirm their place in the world by making others feel sorry for them so they can hear people tell them how valuable they are alive.
Typical person who claims their suicidal but never really gets much further than the tear jerker story.
Then after years of using it as a way to selfishly make themselves feel better, they start passing cynical judgements on those that actually do suffer from suicide to the point of following through.
I just can't imagine ANYONE that supposedly knows the disease of depression, or mental illness as well as you claim could have such a distant criticizing complete polar opposite opinion of other people that are basically not much different than you claim to be.

Maybe I'm wrong about you, and maybe I'm not.
In the end all that matters is that you running around disrespecting peoples family members you know nothing about is pretty classless.

And no you keep your psychiatrists number, I deal with my own LCSW and have great success.
I don't hate people, I don't fantasize about dying, I haven't had a suicidal thought in many years and I'm happy I enjoy life. You should maybe find a new one it seems that it's not working out real well.


I also find tomatoes disgusting however strangely I find them tasteless too. So how does something w/o taste register so appalling to me?

 

[Relic]

wow...speechless after that one. GOOD post.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

wow...speechless after that one. GOOD post.

I'm honestly in a very long winded way just asking the guy to get off his high horse and PLEASE stop referring to the man that I spent 28 years looking up to as a coward.

As well as all the other people he is disrespecting.

My uncle was a good level headed man, he didn't suffer from depression all his life, he didn't have anger problems, he was ALWAYS the cool calm and collected one, a great guy, a great father, a friend to many.

Depression and anti depressant meds stepped in and flipped his life upside down in the coarse of 3 months, he went from absolutely normal to a total wreck almost overnight.

My family is currently involved in a class action lawsuit against one of the companies as well as the Dr that was feeding the stuff to him w/o much discretion.
Really not sure of all the details last time I really got emotionally involved in a conversation it ended with my 80 year old grandmother smacking the SH!t out of me. I guess I was expressing some views about something a bit to detailed for what she was ready to hear.
So after that I don't get to involved in these things.
That lady can still throw a mean right back hand.

 

[Bassamatic]

Interesting thread. "When I was getting my first degree in clinical psych, we spent a lot of time studying suicide.

I had 2 close friends commit suicide this year - my next-door neighbor - a wonderful lady that was one of the most up, positive people i have known, and a recording engineer I was working with.

Her suicide came out of the blue and totally wracked her family and that of her brother and his family that lives up the street. Her father-in-law had a heart attack a few weeks later from the stress. We all miss her terribly and there are literally dozens of people that would have done anything to help her. Our close knit neighborhood will never recover from this. There is still no knowledge about why this happened. I was out walking my dogs and heard the shot - it will always haunt me.

The engineer was suffering from some medical condition that apparently became so painful one night he couldn't take it any longer. Again, none of his close friends were aware of this and there were a lot of people that would have helped - at least driving him to an emergency room for medical help. His death not only saddened his family and friends, it also disrupted the lives of many others whose video and audio projects he was working on. It was a crazy scramble to figure out where the data was and how to get it saved and returned to the clients. His poor landlady was at the center of it all, and all the calls it made her crazy. She also feels guilty that she was so close (next door) and didn't do anything to help, even though she had no idea.

I guess my points are that
1. Things are never as bad as they seem, and there is always something that can be done and someone that will help
2, Suicide is usually a very selfish act without concern for how it will disrupt and ruin the lives of many others and it always does.

For those thinking about this - find someone to talk to that can help - even a little - and that will lead to another and another that can help more. You are never alone.

 

[runmikeyrun]

unless you've been there, you have no idea how incredibly strong you have to be just to stay alive when your brain is telling you to kill yourself every waking second of every day. I went through that for months. MONTHS. Every second of every day. And I have had it happen twice in my life now... last year, and the year before that. Horrible, horrible times. I am the strongest man in the world as far as I'm concerned because I didn't do it. Coward my arse.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

unless you've been there, you have no idea how incredibly strong you have to be just to stay alive when your brain is telling you to kill yourself every waking second of every day. I went through that for months. MONTHS. Every second of every day. And I have had it happen twice in my life now... last year, and the year before that. Horrible, horrible times. I am the strongest man in the world as far as I'm concerned because I didn't do it. Coward my arse.

So if you had done it you then would have been one?
I guess you hold the same views as Xthedeadpawn on this?

Keep living man, and absolutely it takes a hell of a lot to fight through it. And anyone that can say they have actually been there and decided life was more important deserves credit for it.
By all means.

But not at the expense of saying that others that weren't able to overcome their inner demons or mental illnesses ARE cowards.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

I actually have a well what was a really really really close friend that was suicidal.

He is what I would call a coward.

He was in a very dark place for a while, went home after working his park ranger job of hell like 20 years ( real stable likable guy )
He went home argued a bit with his wife and step children.
Went to his room, loaded his 45 and one by one shot his 12 year old step son, his 14 year old step daughter, and his wife.
Instead of just taking his own life. He then pussed out and turned himself in and is now serving life in prison.

THAT is a coward. Love him to death but had he have just gotten help or at worst taken just himself than maybe today I wouldn't look at him as such a coward.

Anyone from around Northern VA should be familiar with this story from about two years ago.
Great guy I've known all my life that was basically one of my role models growing up, really disappointing that now he's just a sad inmate in some cell somewhere while his family is dead.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

Interesting thread. "When I was getting my first degree in clinical psych, we spent a lot of time studying suicide.

I had 2 close friends commit suicide this year - my next-door neighbor - a wonderful lady that was one of the most up, positive people i have known, and a recording engineer I was working with.

Her suicide came out of the blue and totally wracked her family and that of her brother and his family that lives up the street. Her father-in-law had a heart attack a few weeks later from the stress. We all miss her terribly and there are literally dozens of people that would have done anything to help her. Our close knit neighborhood will never recover from this. There is still no knowledge about why this happened. I was out walking my dogs and heard the shot - it will always haunt me.

The engineer was suffering from some medical condition that apparently became so painful one night he couldn't take it any longer. Again, none of his close friends were aware of this and there were a lot of people that would have helped - at least driving him to an emergency room for medical help. His death not only saddened his family and friends, it also disrupted the lives of many others whose video and audio projects he was working on. It was a crazy scramble to figure out where the data was and how to get it saved and returned to the clients. His poor landlady was at the center of it all, and all the calls it made her crazy. She also feels guilty that she was so close (next door) and didn't do anything to help, even though she had no idea.

I guess my points are that
1. Things are never as bad as they seem, and there is always something that can be done and someone that will help
2, Suicide is usually a very selfish act without concern for how it will disrupt and ruin the lives of many others and it always does.

For those thinking about this - find someone to talk to that can help - even a little - and that will lead to another and another that can help more. You are never alone.

Suicide is absolutely a very selfish act but one must be capable of rational thought to make rational choices and take rational considerations into rational consideration.

And I don't think there's anything "usual" about it.

Some do think long and hard about what they are doing and who they are going to hurt.
Again my uncle left a 200+ page book addressed to 30 some odd family members all mailed ahead of time separately outlining exactly what he was thinking and why he felt obligated to do it.
His suicide was extremely well planned and even better executed.
It was elaborate and very well constructed. Although he was running off craziness at the time he was still very much calculated in his decisions and actions.

 

[MIJ-VI]

If anyone who reads this thread is feeling so deeply depressed that seeking relief via prescription drugs seems reasonable, then you may wish to check out the info in the following links before perhaps needlessly compounding your health and outlook problems:

Robert Whitaker: ‘Anatomy Of An Epidemic’: Could Psychiatric Drugs Be Fuelling A Mental Illness Epidemic?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-whitaker/anatomy-of-an-epidemic-co_b_555572.html

The Marketing of Madness, The Truth About Psychotropic Drugs-Full Length Documentary (aka The Marketing of Madness: Are We All Insane?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41_8hZoVKjE

The Marketing of Madness: Are we all insane?
A Documentary review by Ingri Cassel
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20100226.html

PARENTS: Given that psychotropic drugs are being prescribed to more & more children at an ever younger age you may wish to check out the above info as well. One of the drug companies' marketing ploys is an illustrated children's story book titled: "Brandon and the Bipolar Bear". Then there's the incidence of "limb reduction" etc amongst children whose mothers took these drugs during pregnancy.

NOTE: In response to YouTube comments that The Marketing of Madness was produced by The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), an organization affiliated with the Church Of Scientology, I again watched the copy of this eye-opening documentary I downloaded last year to vet it for C.O.S. propaganda. With the exception of the "GET THE FACTS cchr.org" pitch which appears during the last 7 seconds of this nearly 3 hour long video, there didn't appear to be any--unless one chooses to believe that better mental health does flow from a pill bottle...

In my personal experience deep depression has always proven to be temporary and one's outlook can be substantially improved by gradually curtailing substance abuse to the point of abstinence (avoid going cold turkey especially when giving up psychotropic drugs), adopting a healthier diet & lifestyle, getting regular rest, and by finding ways of investing oneself in helping others.

Aiding someone else can help rekindle one's self esteem and reinvigorate a sense of purpose in life.

Take care.

EDIT:

A nod to XtheDeadPawn for pointing out the Icarus Project...

We are a network of people living with and/or affected by experiences that are often diagnosed and labeled as psychiatric conditions. We believe these experiences are mad gifts needing cultivation and care, rather than diseases or disorders. By joining together as individuals and as a community, the intertwined threads of madness, creativity, and collaboration can inspire hope and transformation in an oppressive and damaged world. Participation in The Icarus Project helps us overcome alienation and tap into the true potential that lies between brilliance and madness.

...whose resources include:

Harm Reduction Guide To Coming Off Psychiatric Drugs & Withdrawal
http://theicarusproject.net/alterna...duction-guide-to-coming-off-psychiatric-drugs
(Also available in Spanish, German, and Greek.)

 

[XtheDeadPawn]

Let's put all this in perspective you ever heard of patient rights?
If you haven't look them up.
They are something your Uncle didn't look up.
Yet you said he even in his bout of as you put it craziness he was able to rationally outline both why and what he was going to do.
I call that a coward not a victim because hey face it love him or not your Uncle didn't look hard enough for a better way out of his situation.

Also it seems you confuse me with someone that DIDN'T follow through with taking my own life as a coward as well as your park ranger buddy. He isn't a coward for killing his family he's a murderer. If it happened in Texas we'd have put him in the front of the line for lethal injection. People who murder aren't cowards their murderers it's in the name.

Look you keep saying I have no right to judge. Well, like it or not we all judge. You do too I however am one of the few people you'll ever meet that'll trully tell you what I think. I don't claim to be the next humanitarian of the year or something I just call it like I see it.

I see a man who suffered from mental illness, family issues (possible divorce I'm guessing), a uninvolved Doctor, and who killed himself yet, somehow you admited had the ability to plan, explain, and execute his death.
That isn't a victim he could have said "No Doc these pills aren't working" or "Doc I want to see other people" but, instead he thought it was easier to take his own life. I don't care if God told me to take my own life or burn in Hell for eternity I still wouldn't do it.

I may not be popular with you but, that's okay your angry because I'll admit if someone called my dead loved one a coward I'd be angry too but, if my loved one commited suicide I'd label them a coward just as I have your Uncle.
See? No double standards.

Oh about the high horse thing I sorta need it at 5'8 it helps me see the room.

 

[machine gewehr]

That isn't suicide that's Youthanasia.

Old Roman word for "Good Death" those people are still cowards to me but, what they commit isn't called suicide should be though because that's essentially what it is.

You wanna hear a man facing death hear the Lecture of a famous professor the Last lecture on Youtube. That guy faced death with joy and prepared his wife and kids for his passing and to top it off he inspired many with his courage. If anybody could have been a statstic he by all means could have been. He wasn't though. Neither am I.

First of all.

Euthanasia

And you are right, I too believe that people in unimaginable pain should grow some balls and take the pain. Cowards, wusses crying like a little girl because their body is eating themselves and they can't stand the pain.



What kind of a person are you to speak after the dead? I don't know about Texas but here in Turkey, no matter what we don't speak after the dead. It is low, it is classless. And you, continuously speak after a mourning person's passed away loved one, right into his face (monitor) hiding behind the internet. And I am sure you would say right into people face that their passed away loved ones are cowards.

I am also sure that you would handsomely sport a broken jaw.

I don't care what illness you have, there is no medical illness that I know that lowers the class of a person. If there is, I wish you a fast recovery and hope you get well soon.

 

[Skitch it!]

I was asking for anecdotal replies, not something that reads like it came from a book, as most of your comments in this thread do. Have you known someone who did this?

Personally, no. Although I do know many folk with inherited predisposition that has been passed down through genetics. As far as researching it, yes I've spent many years looking for some clarity on these issues. I have had experience with counsellors and have been put forward for that work including working/mentoring folk with substance dependence problems, most of whom where trying to self medicate pre-existing conditions.

Inherited predisposition can be a factor but doesn't necessarily mean that it will be a given in every circumstance, it could depend a great deal on the environment you experienced during formative years that left its imprint and/or many other reasons.

There is one thing to consider here in the U.K. that IMO is quite a relevant difference regarding enacting suicide, that being the restricted access to firearms. I know for sure that if I could have had access to a firearm during the periods of chronic depression involved in bipolar disorder, I'd have been gone a long time ago, I've no doubt about that.

unless you've been there, you have no idea how incredibly strong you have to be just to stay alive when your brain is telling you to kill yourself every waking second of every day. I went through that for months. MONTHS. Every second of every day. And I have had it happen twice in my life now... last year, and the year before that. Horrible, horrible times. I am the strongest man in the world as far as I'm concerned because I didn't do it. Coward my arse.

I can relate to that one Sir, thankfully the last spell being around 4 years back, usually periods of between 1 to 7 months where the worst thing of the day upon waking has already happened, you woke up. I look back on those particular times and think 'oh man, where were you?'.

That's not to say I don't get little spells now and again, but nothing like those days, brother, I wish you well

 

[Relic]

why the heck is the word "coward" even entering this conversation at all??
I would say just the opposite - to kill oneself takes a certain amount of (very misguided) courage. It also takes a ton of courage to battle that urge and try to live.
Now, add in depression, mental illness...? "Coward", "courage", "weak" "strong" don't even enter into the equation. The words "constant struggle" are more apt.

 

[Relic]

What kind of a person are you to speak after the dead? I don't know about Texas but here in Turkey, no matter what we don't speak after the dead. It is low, it is classless. And you, continuously speak after a mourning person's passed away loved one, right into his face (monitor) hiding behind the internet. And I am sure you would say right into people face that their passed away loved ones are cowards.

I am also sure that you would handsomely sport a broken jaw.

I don't care what illness you have, there is no medical illness that I know that lowers the class of a person. If there is, I wish you a fast recovery and hope you get well soon.

+1

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

Well there's absolutely no sense in going back and fourth over this.
What you think of my uncle or anyone else's family member, friend or loved one is completely irrelevant to their's or my own personal views. In all reality I'm not trying to even get you to feel or think any different, I'm simply trying to get you to understand that, regardless of your own personal outlook on a subject or the people of such subject, it's best to choose your words a little differently. If not just flat out bite your tongue all together. Simply out of common decency and respect. Especially when it is being asked of you.

How difficult is it to say that you feel it's a cowardly act, rather than labeling the person and saying that person is a coward because of their acts.
Yes I'm talking semantics here but there are useful times and situations for it. This being one of them.

The funny thing is you have your head so far up your a$$ you actually have the audacity to think I should be grateful of your heroic efforts to give it to me straight.
I should according to you, be appreciative of your special gift of really just telling it like it is and not BS'n about it.
What an admirable characteristic to pride yourself on. Instead of you being respectful of people's loved ones you make it a point to go out of your way to "keep it real" "say it like it is" and make sure that people know you think their deceased loved one is a coward, perhaps the most insulting label known to man, and regardless of how sensitive the subject you have this incredible ability to call it like you see it.
Well Xthedeadpawn pat yourself on the back you sir are a true gentleman.

I'd like to thank you for making sure I know that he was a coward and that his sickness had no role in his decision making. You really helped me to see it all so much more clearly.
Oh and thanks for straightening up my twisted view of what a real coward is.
Where I was mistaking and thinking that my good buddy CD the park ranger was a coward for executing his family and admitting later to not having the courage to take his own life afterwards.
I really should be describing people like my uncle that were sick and actually trying to seek help but eventually succumbed to their illness and inabilities to rationalize things as cowards.

Yeah lol nah, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I definitely don't agree with you I definitely don't see your logic in being so disrespectful.
I don't see where you pride yourself on taking the position on judge and jury for all people that have committed suicide because of your own claimed failed attempts.

I guess we're all entitled to our opinions.

 

[machine gewehr]

why the heck is the word "coward" even entering this conversation at all??
I would say just the opposite - to kill oneself takes a certain amount of (very misguided) courage. It also takes a ton of courage to battle that urge and try to live.
Now, add in depression, mental illness...? "Coward", "courage", "weak" "strong" don't even enter into the equation. The words "constant struggle" are more apt.

Exactly.

If a person is ending their lives, it goes against the most powerful and basic instinct we have:survival. Going against it, is unimaginable by me, and takes a lot of courage (misguided that is, as Relic stated).

If they choose to live, it goes against the demons they have, voices that whisper them to end it. Living despite the demons takes a lot of courage too.

 

[1SHOT1HIT]

Exactly.

If a person is ending their lives, it goes against the most powerful and basic instinct we have:survival. Going against it, is unimaginable by me, and takes a lot of courage (misguided that is, as Relic stated).

If they choose to live, it goes against the demons they have, voices that whisper them to end it. Living despite the demons takes a lot of courage too.

And as Relic touched on, when it comes to suicide there really is no room for the word coward in any aspect.

 

[Skitch it!]

The problem with mental disorders is that they can severely skew your perspective well outside that which would be considered the norm, for various reasons to do with reactions involved/due to the condition. To be perfectly honest, this is what I think XtheDeadPawn has/is experiencing. If he could find a way to circumnavigate and release the embitterment, that perspective would be very different, all IMO of course.

Let me just say that I am in no way defending his opinion on this subject, but I do think his issues have been/are a major influence on his perspective here.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

I know how you feel my best friend and band mate shot himself in March. Nobody knew anything was bothering him.

It happened about a half hour after rehearsal and 5 minutes before it happened he texted me and the rest of the band saying he loved us and gonna miss us. We all freaked out (btw all of us were living together but him)

We all immediately drove to his house but it was too late the ambulance was already there That 10 minutes will stick with me along with this question: we didn't he talk to anybody, for as long as i live

Sorry for your loss

That isn't suicide that's Youthanasia.

No, it's suicide.

Euthanasia requires someone else to do the job. Euthanasia is killing someone else, to end their suffering. The closest you can come to doing it yourself, is a form of euthanasia called assisted suicide, where someone helps you kill yourself.

Euthanasia - the painless killing of a patient suffering from an incurable and painful disease or in an irreversible coma.

But IMHO you strike me as that typical attention starved person that surrounds themselves with suicide and stories of it, talks about how they have fantasies about dying as a shock tactic to grab people's attention, and desperately confirm their place in the world by making others feel sorry for them so they can hear people tell them how valuable they are alive.
Typical person who claims their suicidal but never really gets much further than the tear jerker story.
Then after years of using it as a way to selfishly make themselves feel better, they start passing cynical judgements on those that actually do suffer from suicide to the point of following through.

I agree with the rest of the post, but especially with this part.

What kind of a person are you to speak after the dead? I don't know about Texas but here in Turkey, no matter what we don't speak after the dead. It is low, it is classless. And you, continuously speak after a mourning person's passed away loved one, right into his face (monitor) hiding behind the internet. And I am sure you would say right into people face that their passed away loved ones are cowards.

Ditto

why the heck is the word "coward" even entering this conversation at all??
I would say just the opposite - to kill oneself takes a certain amount of (very misguided) courage. It also takes a ton of courage to battle that urge and try to live.
Now, add in depression, mental illness...? "Coward", "courage", "weak" "strong" don't even enter into the equation. The words "constant struggle" are more apt.

Probably because some people get off on pointing out (repeatedly) how much better they think they are than other people...

 

[Muziekschuur]

When you know you should be doing something (that would fulfill your life) and you can't and this is not open to discussion it is ok to go I suppose...

Two of my relatives committed suicide. Many people who take heroine and alike usually are so helped when they are offered what they were missing. Usually a chance to get to do something wich could lead to fulfillment...