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T/S parameters for vintage CTS 8x10 drivers?

#126
I had the genz sm9.2 into limiting pushing 6 of them and they didn't fart. Maybe the lows compressed alittle. So far they don't have as much low end as the berg drivers. Im hoping that it develops but I have a feeling that the bergs with the larger voice coil are always going to have more whump. It's always a trade off. I can definitely see someone building a cab using two of these drivers and maybe a faital 15".
 
#129
kringle77 said:
Compared the webers and neo's again just now, 4 webers and 2 neos loaded into the nv610. The neos do go lower and higher. The webers are darker but when you turn up the highs to compensate they get alittle gritty sounding. They sounded fine mixed but, I still prefer the sound one type of driver at a time. The webers really do remind me of the jensen mod10's with some actual low end. I really do think the webers will develope more low end as they break in but, they are pretty stiff drivers and will take more playing than some other drivers. Unfortunately the band is pretty light on gigs as most people in my area are more broke than usual and aren't going out as much. And the weather is not cooperating so I can't bring the gear outside where I can crank it up a bit.
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Perhaps in the .5 alignment (when you get the other 2 Neos), the mix n' match drivers would be less of an issue to your ear???
 
#130
In a .5 situation, the two driver would work just fine. I'd use the webers fullrange at all times. If the webers end up not having enough fatness down low I would have no problem using 4 and 4. It's good to have the option. The neo's feel at least a pount lighter. I should way them.

Jgr, I used the svt for the first time last night and yes, they keep the rather large low end tight. I've got some low frequency noise feeding the 6x10 right now in an effort to break the drivers in more. I'd like to have a total for 30 hours break in because that would simulate about 10 gigs and that is about what it takes to break most cabs in totally. It will take a few days since the wife isn't thrilled with the house slightly jiggling for hours on end.
 
#133
I see that the eminence S2010 has the same basket and magnet as the fliptops neo and it weighs 3.5lbs. I'll bet the svtneo weighs the same. So going from B810's to webers in an 8x10 cab will save you 17.6lbs. Going from B810's to svtneos saves 25.6lbs. Again, I would prefer either one of these drivers to the stock ampegs/B810 soundwise. Less weight is just icing on the cake.
 
#134
Here is a blurb I wrote on another thread about micing these speakers. It's relavant I think.

I just put in an order for a beta 56a and will get to use it friday. I mic a bergantino nv610 but, soon to have a weber loaded LDS 8x10. The 57/58 just gives me more of that sound of older recordings where the bass is fat and tight with low mid punch and just the right amount of compressed clarity. I was micing a single sealed 1x10 loaded with a weber 10" and by micing close, you get that proximity effect where the low mids get bumped up and it ends up sounding like a full 8x10 cab. A cool thing indeed. Makes me want to finally build that isolation cab together.
 
#135
The webers continue to slowly break in and loosen up in the low end. They still aren't low end monsters but are slowly developing. These drivers are pretty darn stiff and I've never seen a driver take so much time to break in. Between low frequency noise and playing I probably have 30 hours on them. They really take alot of power well without farting, in fact, I've gave 6 of them all my genz sm9.2 would give and they didn't fart. Thats with the eq flat of course. No low end boost but, the amp was going into limiting. This makes me suspect that the low end may develop even more. I've finally got a gig this friday at a club I know very well and will have a better idea on how these guys perform. To break them in I run the pink noise on my crown xti2000 amp but low pass it at 30hz so, basically the house just shakes alittle but you don't hear anything. I know that this is probably confusing neighbors.
 
#137
I got to use the weber loaded 6x10 last night in a familiar room. I prefer the overall tone of the webers to the stock bergs. The top end is higher and sweeter, the mids are more even. The berg drivers do a have better bottom end and hit alittle harder than the webers. So, I may end up keeping the nv610 in stock form and the weber loaded 8x10. They are equal to me. I just like each for different reasons. I wish that I could get the best out of each into one cab but, that isn't likely. Even though I ran the webers all fullrange, I still had pretty good dispersion and I really loved the way it cut through and sang when I played up high. I did miss the low end heft of the berg drivers though. Some of this I know will be corrected when I spend more time with the webers and learn how they like to be eq'd. No regrets here at all, I just wanted to let people know what the differences are. I may have to order one or two of the weber 10hl drivers that are heavier and put out more lows to see if I may want the 8x10 loaded with half of those. The one I had about a year ago sounded really good.
 
#138
Your observations make sense and seem in line with how folks describe the original cabs. You may want to try the .5 alignment which should help with the perception of low end heft. Did you try your SVT with it yet? I bet something like the Streamliner would be a great combination - get some chocolate + peanut butter happening!
 
#139
Yes, the svt sounded great with them. They get that huge low end under control. The new cab has a switch to allow me to go between fullrange and .5 alignment. The cab is done but Don is waiting for the guy who bends his metal grills to get back from vacation.
 

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