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Tal Wilkenfeld, who's like her?

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RotoRick said:
She should be good, allowed to quit school at 16, fly to America and given 36 thousand bucks by her parents to spend 2 years at bass school, then with her teachers connections heads to NY to start playing with the pros.
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whoa! deja vu

Again Tal is mostly self-taught. She spent 1 year at LAMA and only the last 6 months of it on bass.
 
#143
RotoRick said:
Anyone even without a shred of natural musical talent can become a great musician with the proper training and she certainly got that and more.
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LOL!!!!.............You ARE kidding...Right??? I've got news for you. GREAT musicians are the ones with natural talent. You can expand on that natural talent and add to it. But there's a reason why some people still clap offbeat......can't sing in tune......and think their drunk friend who can sing "Black Velvet" is AWESOME!!!!

Rant Over.......back to the regularly scheduled program.
 
#147
lowstrung5 said:
LOL!!!!.............You ARE kidding...Right??? I've got news for you. GREAT musicians are the ones with natural talent. You can expand on that natural talent and add to it. But there's a reason why some people still clap offbeat......can't sing in tune......and think their drunk friend who can sing "Black Velvet" is AWESOME!!!!

Rant Over.......back to the regularly scheduled program.
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Yes but those who clap off beat didn't go to the musicians institute now did they. Ive see rich kids all my life that didn't have the musical talent of a turd, but daddy's money and a nice english college of music changed all that.
 
#148
lowstrung5 said:
LOL!!!!.............You ARE kidding...Right??? I've got news for you. GREAT musicians are the ones with natural talent. You can expand on that natural talent and add to it. But there's a reason why some people still clap offbeat......can't sing in tune......and think their drunk friend who can sing "Black Velvet" is AWESOME!!!!

Rant Over.......back to the regularly scheduled program.
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IMHO, Hard work and lots of it is what makes a musician great, name one great musician that hasn't put in lots of hard work and was trained at an early age.
 
#150
Phil Smith said:
IMHO, Hard work and lots of it is what makes a musician great, name one great musician that hasn't put in lots of hard work and was trained at an early age.
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I never said hard work is not required to hone your craft, but seriously......we all know that hard work alone will not get you there. You have to have some basic natural talent to work with to begin with. I know many who have had higher education and training in music that will never be GREAT. You can polish the turd all you want .......and in the end....its a polished turd. Please........lets not say everyone can be great musicians with alot of hard work and some money. Tonedeaf is tonedeaf. No rythm is no rythm. You can teach the mechanics and theory of music......but IMHO you can't teach talent.
 
#151
RotoRick said:
She should be good, allowed to quit school at 16, fly to America and given 36 thousand bucks by her parents to spend 2 years at bass school, then with her teachers connections heads to NY to start playing with the pros.

Anyone even without a shred of natural musical talent can become a great musician with the proper training and she certainly got that and more.

Is she good, yes she is. But I am more impressed by people who taught themselves to play without fancy bass institutes holding their hand and setting up their future for them.

Chris Squire for instance, locked himself in his girlfriends apartment for 4 months because and I quote : At some point you have really got to learn your instrament :

Some greats of years ago ate dogfood and slept in a ditch on their way up but not Tal, she ate steak everynight. If she jumped on stage with Chris would he be impressed with her solos, doubt it.

Would probably be like the devil went down to Georgia, well your pretty good there son, now sit down on that chair right there and let me show you how its done. ha ha

She is good for what she does, she is good for the type of music she plays, but when she walks into a music store she won't make any of the big boys put their bass down and leave.
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Lol
 
#153
lowstrung5 said:
I never said hard work is not required to hone your craft, but seriously......we all know that hard work alone will not get you there. You have to have some basic natural talent to work with to begin with. I know many who have had higher education and training in music that will never be GREAT. You can polish the turd all you want .......and in the end....its a polished turd. Please........lets not say everyone can be great musicians with alot of hard work and some money. Tonedeaf is tonedeaf. No rythm is no rythm. You can teach the mechanics and theory of music......but IMHO you can't teach talent.
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Show me a single person that worked hard at acquiring a particular skill, stuck with it and didn't wind up being an expert at that skill.
 
#154
lowstrung5 said:
Talent has nothing to do with money or education.
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Yes but talent on its own will only take you so far unless you are Jimi Hendrix and most are not, that natural talent has to be honed by the pros, otherwise you go so far and get stuck. Tal got stuck and she did the right thing and went to school, she had to be taught the finer things of her craft in order to progress.
 
#155
Phil Smith said:
Show me a single person that worked hard at acquiring a particular skill, stuck with it and didn't wind up being an expert at that skill.
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Example.........Doctors all get higher education and are considered experts in their specialty. That being said, there are many who I would'nt let operate on my dog let alone a family member. Why?........because although all of them are MD's does NOT mean they are all equally talented. Some are great........some are mediocre.......some even suck. The great one's are talented. The untalented ones are said to have "hands of Stone". But all are considered "experts".

I wont take up anymore space on this tread.
 
#156
willgroove2 said:
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http://youtu.be/d5D4C463DSE

Not taking away from Tal but what she does is not walking on water,there are a lot of people who do similar thing's
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Thanks for the shout out will. It's nice to be compared to a killer bassist by a killer bassist. I have checked out a bit of Tal and she is a solid player. And don't be confused by YouTube clips. Just because somebody posts a clip of someone soloing and playing a bunch of notes doesn't mean that is all they can do. "soulful" groove players should have some solo chops and "virtuouso bass gods" should be able to hold a groove. To me it comes down to what players are great bass players and what players are great musicians. I think Tal fits into this category... But so do a ton of other bass players. The guy from Snarky Puppy comes to mind as similar to Tal. And if you think I do then follow the links in my sig or look up Tim Seisser on YouTube.... Judge for yourself. And I am humbled by the comparison.
 
#157
RotoRick said:
She should be good, allowed to quit school at 16, fly to America and given 36 thousand bucks by her parents to spend 2 years at bass school, then with her teachers connections heads to NY to start playing with the pros.

Anyone even without a shred of natural musical talent can become a great musician with the proper training and she certainly got that and more.

Is she good, yes she is. But I am more impressed by people who taught themselves to play without fancy bass institutes holding their hand and setting up their future for them.

Chris Squire for instance, locked himself in his girlfriends apartment for 4 months because and I quote : At some point you have really got to learn your instrament :

Some greats of years ago ate dogfood and slept in a ditch on their way up but not Tal, she ate steak everynight. If she jumped on stage with Chris would he be impressed with her solos, doubt it.

Would probably be like the devil went down to Georgia, well your pretty good there son, now sit down on that chair right there and let me show you how its done. ha ha

She is good for what she does, she is good for the type of music she plays, but when she walks into a music store she won't make any of the big boys put their bass down and leave.
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Ouch.

So, I'm guessing you have the same total lack of respect for Miles Davis...
 
#158
Kwesi said:
I'm honestly curious now. What current players do you consider truly incredible?
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Most of the guys that failed to get mentioned on TB! Charnett Moffett is truly incredible. Sekou Bunch is one that you would really have to see live to greatly appreciate. Matt Garrison, Richard Bona and Etienne Mbappe, to name a few. As for female bass players, there is a local player by the name of Aleata Holloway that is a BEAST! Her playing is very diverse as wel as creatively soulful. I have seen her start off with a flamenco style, Stanley Clarkesque riff into a thump that would make both Larry and Louis proud. All along singing something soulful that was just this side of MeShell Ndegeocello, with some really beautiful melodic melodic chordal work interwoven. She would make folks think twice about giving Tal so much credit...but then too Aleata, altough beautiful, is a bit older, and African American, so she may not get the same reception from some of those that really are listening with their eyes.
 
#160
Billy Low said:
Most of the guys that failed to get mentioned on TB! Charnett Moffett is truly incredible. Sekou Bunch is one that you would really have to see live to greatly appreciate. Matt Garrison, Richard Bona and Etienne Mbappe, to name a few. As for female bass players, there is a local player by the name of Aleata Holloway that is a BEAST! Her playing is very diverse as wel as creatively soulful. I have seen her start off with a flamenco style, Stanley Clarkesque riff into a thump that would make both Larry and Louis proud. All along singing something soulful that was just this side of MeShell Ndegeocello, with some really beautiful melodic melodic chordal work interwoven. She would make folks think twice about giving Tal so much credit...but then too Aleata, altough beautiful, is a bit older, and African American, so she may not get the same reception from some of those that really are listening with their eyes.
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Gotcha, those are some great players. I'm a big fan of Bona and Meshell as well. I'm sure I'd like Mbappe but I haven't heard much of his work. Considering who you dig I'm surprised you don't enjoy Hadrien or Janek.
 

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