TARA Labs cable challenge!!

[vanselus]

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[odie]

vanselus You have had that avatar for awhile now and I still think it looks like it is coming out side ways. OOUUCCHH.

 

[erik_hammarlund]

Right now it's hard to find test volunteers and lab time (or any away-from-the-desk-and-phone time, for that matter) because of the Oracle system we're putting into place.

I'm working on getting together with Pat Quilter to get this testing and listening done, maybe later this week or sometime next week.

Can hardly wait--and hey, I know better than to complain about things (even interesting tests) that other people are doing FOR FREE so thanks...

PS oracle sucks

 

[Steven Green]

Whoops...I have this page bookmarked and after seeing no updates for a while, I figured the thread had been buried again. Thanks for the info blisshead!

 

[Hman]

Funny thing happened to me today..took a day trip down Monterey with my family..and I saw this music store, so I walked in and checked out all the basses hanging on the wall...and I thought it was just another music store with some MIJ Fenders...well, F bass studio, MTD, Lakland...and I'm checking out Glock amps SWR Mo bass. Wow, I'm in a bass store At first, a sale guy was helping me with the F bass. Then the store manager came out to say hello and let's talkbass. I said, "Do you talkbass?" What's your handle?...There he is in person - Prockenklang...and then the good stuff...he brought out all the Tara cables for me I've been waiting for the result here but now I have the chance to hear it myself

well, it works for me!!!! The tone of the F bass was more clean/clear and phat with the Tara cables. I got to play prockenklang's Fodera too!! Even my wife..not a bass player could tell the different in tone. With the regular cable,s she said it was "muffed". If you are in the bay area...take a trip down there and check out the cables yourself.

Thanks John and nice meeting you...I'll be in touch soon! Next time, I'll bring my basses down

 

[Woodboy]

Which cables did you try? Instrument, speaker, power or all three?

 

[jondog]

And how many did you buy?

 

[Hman]

Well...I tried all cables...power, instrutment and speaker...I think the combo did it for me... all 3, then you can hear the major difference.

walk out with 0 need to sell something to buy them

soon I hope

 

[ivanthetrble]

Did you try the power cable by itself? I do believe that was the initially what this thread was about. I can believe that a speaker cable of insturment cable could make a difference (however small) but stil remains to be seen about the power cable by itself.

 

[PhatBasstard]

Did you try the power cable by itself? I do believe that was the initially what this thread was about. I can believe that a speaker cable of insturment cable could make a difference (however small) but stil remains to be seen about the power cable by itself.

Exactly. The rest (line, speaker) are already a given that there could be a difference.
The bone of contention is the power cable.

Maybe we should ask Nathan East.
Check his equipment list in this month's Bass Player.

 

[Hman]

Yes, I made sure that the power cable was the only one for comparison and it did the trick for me Of course I was not a believer before and had to listen many times to make sure there is a difference.

The only way is to listen for yourself...try your local dealer for a test

 

[Munjibunga]

Yes, I made sure that the power cable was the only one for comparison and it did the trick for me Of course I was not a believer before and had to listen many times to make sure there is a difference.

The only way is to listen for yourself...try your local dealer for a test

Hmmm ... seems to me that if the difference in sound was worth the difference in price, it would've hit you like a brick wall.

 

[nashvillebill]

Yep, here's how this works: the dealer plugs in the new cable and says "wow, hear the difference?" The power of suggestion will begin to make you believe--after all, you know which is the new cable, and which is the old cable. Unless you do a true double blind test, where somebody impartial plugs in the cable, and even he or she doesn't know which cable is which, this sort of testing in the music store isn't very useful. Like Munji said, if there was a difference, it should've been obvious and not taken many listens to "discover".

 

[prockenklang]

I guess I'm busted!!! I always thought that my job at the music store was to show and sell new products! I must be a better salesman than I thought because I managed to fool myself into buying a whole bunch of Tara Labs cables! Hell,I even fooled Trip Wamsley into hearing a difference when he came to my store to do a Glockenklang clinic!! Get this,I also have fooled people into buying high-end instruments like F-Basses and Alembics(everybody knows that both of those brands suck) simply by saying "try this,they sound great"! Of course,I went ahead and bought several F-Basses and Alembics for myself,just so the customers would believe me,but,you do what you have to do!
I guess I must be bitter because someone once told me about a certain brand that sounded great,and I also fell for it.Now I own 5 of them(Fodera's)!
Oh well,Nashville Bill is right,the power of suggestion works!

John

P.S. Hman,I hope that you are not too mad at me for turning you onto the ERS paper that you bought from me yesterday!

 

[john turner]

"Could" is right, but to the point of a difference between "muffled" and "clean/clear"? Only if they were something much worse than run-of-the-mill $10 cables to begin with.

Well, it's nice to start the day with a good laugh.

actually, the tara instrument cables have a noticeable difference compared to monster cables. i could tell the difference.

 

[vanselus]

vanselus You have had that avatar for awhile now and I still think it looks like it is coming out side ways. OOUUCCHH.

Yeah, it was just a crappy chop with only like 4 frames - meant to be completely stupid, then it kinda stuck. On my web page i changed it (except for the front) to this as a logo:

 

[nashvillebill]

I also have fooled people into buying high-end instruments like F-Basses and Alembics...simply by saying "try this,they sound great"!...... Oh well,Nashville Bill is right,the power of suggestion works!

We're not talking about instruments, or amps, or even instrument cables. The basses you sell are certainly fine products, and there are objective ways to judge their quality in addition to subjective factors such as feel or appearance. And I'm not disputing your professionalism in selling these products

This thread was about power cables, however, and you're deluded if you think an expensive three foot power cable can improve your amplifier tone compared to an "ordinary" power cable of sufficient gauge.

 

[prockenklang]

We're not talking about instruments, or amps, or even instrument cables. The basses you sell are certainly fine products, and there are objective ways to judge their quality in addition to subjective factors such as feel or appearance. And I'm not disputing your professionalism in selling these products

[This thread was about power cables, however, and you're deluded if you think an expensive three foot power cable can improve your amplifier tone compared to an "ordinary" power cable of sufficient gauge.]

Hey Nashvillebill,
have you ever tried one?
John

 

[nashvillebill]

I'm a registered professional engineer. I know enough electrical theory, as well as personal experience, to know that your power cable has absolutely zero influence on the amplifier's output. None. Zero. Zilch.

That's my professional opinion. If you think it can, produce one single shred of credible scientific evidence to back it up. Otherwise, in my professional opinion, you're selling a useless product.

Now, if you want to sell this power cable based on its solid construction, or lovely appearance, or some other factor, that's great. I have no opinion on its construction.

 

[Josh Ryan]

...snip... produce one single shred of credible scientific evidence to back it up. ...snip...

+1.

I'll happily take back all my comments/jokes/etc. if such proof ever surfaces.