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TC Electronic RH750 ???!??
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First gig yesterday with the RH750 and RS210.
I placed the cab onto a 3ft tall table and voila, the tone was great.
I´ve been struggling and complaining about my stage sound during the whole year and this time was magic. Never heard myself so well before. Clear, focused tone without being harsh or muddy.
Still gotta play around with settings a bit more, but so far I´m pretty pleased. Only thing I dislike is the cab finish. Gotta treat with so much care that it´s pity.
I placed the cab onto a 3ft tall table and voila, the tone was great.
I´ve been struggling and complaining about my stage sound during the whole year and this time was magic. Never heard myself so well before. Clear, focused tone without being harsh or muddy.
Still gotta play around with settings a bit more, but so far I´m pretty pleased. Only thing I dislike is the cab finish. Gotta treat with so much care that it´s pity.
I`ve found that going a bit deeper might be fine for me.
Would you suggest a 2nd RS210 instead of 112 or 212?
I've come to like the flat eq-setting more and more, adjust after room acoustics and voila Bob's your uncle.
I've come to like the flat eq-setting more and more, adjust after room acoustics and voila Bob's your uncle.
Do you mean flat (as in the EQ settings provided by the good folks at Bass Gear Mag, which apply to 450 and 750) or everything at noon? These are quite a distance apart.
I'm probably not the best guy to ask as I haven't messed with 12's a lot. The times I did A/B 10s and 12s, I ended up preferring the 10s.
I just got done with the loud band rehearsal and the pair of 10s held up fine. The master was just slightly past noon with the input gain pretty low and the EQ pretty flat on the knobs. Plenty of juice left and it covered the need nicely. I haven't run into a gig so far that I can't cover with the RH750 and either one or two 2x10s granted I'm not doing death metal or anything.
Sorry, my post was quite unclear. Everything at noon with the default EQ-setting.
I just received my TC RH750. I'm switching over from GK 1001 rb 2. Maybe...
I picked up the TC from Zzounds, it was listed as blemished, which usually means somebody sent it back for some reason. I ordered the foot controller at the same time, same deal with that.
I've got 30 days to decide on the amp. The RC 4 foot controller was DOA, Zzounds promptly sent a prepaid shipping label and RA#. The foot unit lit up, so it was getting power from the amp, but it did nothing, no tuning, no preset switching. Oh well, I think I can live with out it. I'll take a refund on that thing.
I'm on the fence about the amp. I'll give it a couple weeks and see if I want to keep it. It's a very different amp compared to the GK 1001. The GK is a monster, a one trick monster, sure, but it's a pretty good trick. Solid punch. All the way down. The GK isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
I'm running these amps through various fEarful cabs I've built over the past year. I expect clear, solid power all the way to the B flat I tune my basses down to. That's not my first impression with the RH750. First, the TC sounds a little dirty even with the tube tone off. Power seemed to wane in the lowest range... I can't seem to dial a spanky modern clean tone. We're not off to a great start. After a couple hours I had three presets I was mostly happy with.(If you want dirt) This thing will do nasty just fine. Ear fatigue had set in, and the family returned, it was time to give it up for the night.
Now, spanky modern wasn't the only thing I had in mind, but I think it should be an option.
The amp sounded much better at 4 ohm with my 15/6 and 12/6 paired up. No surprises there.
All the other features seemed to work fine. I like the tuner, compressor, aux in, headphones. The weight is right. I still need to try the DI function and spend time with the amp in various rooms.
I'll be doing some A/B testing with the GK and various cabs this afternoon, we'll see how it goes. Tomorrow night it goes to rehearsal. I may take the GK along and do more A/B testing there as well.
I need to find the Bass Gear magazine article and give it a read. Tom has the same fEarful set up, so I'm really interested in what he has to say.
30 days and counting, there's still time for the RH750 to win me over. I'm mostly focused on how the RH750 works with the 12/6 cube fEarful. That's going to be the set set up that gets hauled around the most, the cab is under 40lb, and the amp under 10. But the TC still needs to power a pair of the 15/6's.
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I tested with this stack, 12/6 alone, 15/6 alone and the two together.
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Now that's a good looking, light weight, rig!
I picked up a gig bag for the amp at B&H photo.
I'll be going back through this thread to read the whole thing, something I might have done before I took the plunge
I picked up the TC from Zzounds, it was listed as blemished, which usually means somebody sent it back for some reason. I ordered the foot controller at the same time, same deal with that.
I've got 30 days to decide on the amp. The RC 4 foot controller was DOA, Zzounds promptly sent a prepaid shipping label and RA#. The foot unit lit up, so it was getting power from the amp, but it did nothing, no tuning, no preset switching. Oh well, I think I can live with out it. I'll take a refund on that thing.
I'm on the fence about the amp. I'll give it a couple weeks and see if I want to keep it. It's a very different amp compared to the GK 1001. The GK is a monster, a one trick monster, sure, but it's a pretty good trick. Solid punch. All the way down. The GK isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
I'm running these amps through various fEarful cabs I've built over the past year. I expect clear, solid power all the way to the B flat I tune my basses down to. That's not my first impression with the RH750. First, the TC sounds a little dirty even with the tube tone off. Power seemed to wane in the lowest range... I can't seem to dial a spanky modern clean tone. We're not off to a great start. After a couple hours I had three presets I was mostly happy with.(If you want dirt) This thing will do nasty just fine. Ear fatigue had set in, and the family returned, it was time to give it up for the night.
Now, spanky modern wasn't the only thing I had in mind, but I think it should be an option.
The amp sounded much better at 4 ohm with my 15/6 and 12/6 paired up. No surprises there.
All the other features seemed to work fine. I like the tuner, compressor, aux in, headphones. The weight is right. I still need to try the DI function and spend time with the amp in various rooms.
I'll be doing some A/B testing with the GK and various cabs this afternoon, we'll see how it goes. Tomorrow night it goes to rehearsal. I may take the GK along and do more A/B testing there as well.
I need to find the Bass Gear magazine article and give it a read. Tom has the same fEarful set up, so I'm really interested in what he has to say.
30 days and counting, there's still time for the RH750 to win me over. I'm mostly focused on how the RH750 works with the 12/6 cube fEarful. That's going to be the set set up that gets hauled around the most, the cab is under 40lb, and the amp under 10. But the TC still needs to power a pair of the 15/6's.
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I tested with this stack, 12/6 alone, 15/6 alone and the two together.
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Now that's a good looking, light weight, rig!
I picked up a gig bag for the amp at B&H photo.
I'll be going back through this thread to read the whole thing, something I might have done before I took the plunge
I'm not sure the RH750 is going to suit if you're after a modern sounding amp with big low end. It's really going for a vintage tone.
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While I do like my RH750 with the fEARful cabs, I'll say that it does sound kind of dirty with TubeTone off to me, too. The GK 1001RB-II is going to have a much more quick, clean, clear tone. It all depends on what you are after, I guess.
I've posted settings elsewhere that give a modern tone, but it takes some major knob tweaking.
My impression after a month using the RH750 with cabs similar to Fearful is that "It is like having a good 300W tube amp". This is good or bad depending on each one's taste.
When playing very loud, there is always this tube "warmth" (subtle distortion) that is very easy to hear using a clean cabinet. Not neccesarily with average cabs, I guess. There is still headroom to play louder and louder, but this "tube power stage kind of compression" will be more and more evident.
With the master at noon you can make the power stage to show all this behaviour, master at noon does not mean you can triple the power using this head. Yes, it sounds louder... but like an overdriven tube amp.
I like this general behaviour very much, it is practical and very similar to an old MusicMan tube amp I used before in the same practice room with the same band (3 guitars or 2+keyboard). But it happens at louder levels.
Again in a 200...300W tube amp I don't feel the need to make the sound dirtier or more compressed. Then I use very little tubetone or compressor with the RH750 in normal loud practice.
The way I use TubeTone and compressor is when I practice at lower levels (e.g. if the drummer comes late). Those 2 controls allow me to "keep the same tubey sound when I play at low levels".
Same comment about the voicing cuttling deep lows when the EQ is at noon. What you'd expec from a tube amp, very efficient in terms of "loudness for the watt".
While I like the overall behaviour and I am very pleased with the sound (and the band also, they are going to sell the MusicMan because mine is so much louder), it is true I cannot play very loud without the "tubey sound".
I think the best way to understand the RH750, its power, its power stage compression and built-in EQ is to consider it a good 250 or 300W tube head that happens to be implemented with a D-class power stage plus a DSP emulating the whole thing.
It can do dirty or clean, with deep low end or not, but (like a good tube amp) it cannot go ultra clean and deep at very loud levels. This requrires (kilo)watts, and no tube amp (that I know) can do it much bettter.
So yes, the thing is louder than most 500W SS amps (like most 250...300W tube amps), it could be preferrable for most users, but there are things a 500 or 750W can do better than the RH750.
When playing very loud, there is always this tube "warmth" (subtle distortion) that is very easy to hear using a clean cabinet. Not neccesarily with average cabs, I guess. There is still headroom to play louder and louder, but this "tube power stage kind of compression" will be more and more evident.
With the master at noon you can make the power stage to show all this behaviour, master at noon does not mean you can triple the power using this head. Yes, it sounds louder... but like an overdriven tube amp.
I like this general behaviour very much, it is practical and very similar to an old MusicMan tube amp I used before in the same practice room with the same band (3 guitars or 2+keyboard). But it happens at louder levels.
Again in a 200...300W tube amp I don't feel the need to make the sound dirtier or more compressed. Then I use very little tubetone or compressor with the RH750 in normal loud practice.
The way I use TubeTone and compressor is when I practice at lower levels (e.g. if the drummer comes late). Those 2 controls allow me to "keep the same tubey sound when I play at low levels".
Same comment about the voicing cuttling deep lows when the EQ is at noon. What you'd expec from a tube amp, very efficient in terms of "loudness for the watt".
While I like the overall behaviour and I am very pleased with the sound (and the band also, they are going to sell the MusicMan because mine is so much louder), it is true I cannot play very loud without the "tubey sound".
I think the best way to understand the RH750, its power, its power stage compression and built-in EQ is to consider it a good 250 or 300W tube head that happens to be implemented with a D-class power stage plus a DSP emulating the whole thing.
It can do dirty or clean, with deep low end or not, but (like a good tube amp) it cannot go ultra clean and deep at very loud levels. This requrires (kilo)watts, and no tube amp (that I know) can do it much bettter.
So yes, the thing is louder than most 500W SS amps (like most 250...300W tube amps), it could be preferrable for most users, but there are things a 500 or 750W can do better than the RH750.
+1 The whole point IMO of the 3015LF and 3012LF cabs is to replicate the entire range of an instrument, with virtually no compression down low. In my various tests of the RH450 with this class of cab (I have not tried the RH750 with that combination), the 15/6 kind of 'brought out the worst' of the RH voicing to me... a bit nasal, a bit too much give and compression down low, and some midrange 'distortion' that really sucked the beauty out of the high end, accurate mid driver.
Again, it wasn't that it sounded bad, just that it was one of those cases where each of the two very nice pieces of gear made the the other sound worse not better when combined.
Again, IMO there. The GK would be the 'safe bet' on using the capabilities of the 15/6 type cabs, and the brightness in the upper mids of the GK along with the wide low end really brings some nice 'character' to the 15/6, which can sound a bit clinical with some other inputs.
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I agree completely with this. For me, most of the players that I enjoy listening to are using tube amps or preamps - it gives it a warmth you don't get with the spanky hi-fi superclean amps...
I'd love to set up a preset with the modern tone. I'll start twisting and see where it takes me.
Like I said, I'm slow to transition. The GK isn't going anywhere. The idea was to get a light weight, more flexible set up. At low volumes, the GK doesn't do that one great trick, anyway. I've posted many a time about how painfully clean, cold and sterile the GK sounds at lower volumes.
Tonight I'll get to a rehearsal with the new amp and see what it sounds like in the mix, next Sat I can try it at a gig.
We're still in the "getting to know ya stage"
I'm just glad my observations are in line with others here, so I know the amp is doing what it does.
Like I said, I'm slow to transition. The GK isn't going anywhere. The idea was to get a light weight, more flexible set up. At low volumes, the GK doesn't do that one great trick, anyway. I've posted many a time about how painfully clean, cold and sterile the GK sounds at lower volumes.
Tonight I'll get to a rehearsal with the new amp and see what it sounds like in the mix, next Sat I can try it at a gig.
We're still in the "getting to know ya stage"
I'm just glad my observations are in line with others here, so I know the amp is doing what it does.
Interested in your reviewsinglemalt. I also love your Dingwall Super J 5 P-J natural finish. Add a tort PG and a maple board and you have my dream bass! How does the Dingwall handle your low Bb's? I too mostly play Five string basses, and often detune down a half step, and at loud gig volumes, I have been pretty disappointed with the TC 450's ability to replicate the low notes cleanly. Of course, if it is meant to be vintage, there were no notes below E in the 60's for those 200 watt tube heads to worry about, ,so maybe this is true to TC's vision 
The Dingwall will easily go to low A. And that's the shorter scale Dingwall, the long scale Dingwalls are nothing short of amazing in the clarity of the whole range.
The fEarfuls are a whole nuther story. That journey started because I hated the way amps and cabs lost oomph in the low ranges. Hooking up the first fEarful was like getting a new amp thrown in with the new cab. I'd never heard the GK do everything it could do, especially down low. We're talking vision blurring, clear power that does justice to the Dingwall's B string.
So, I was surprised that the TC started to roll off in the low registers, I knew it wasn't the cabs that lacked the capability.
The next gig will really tell the story. My band of problem children is half deaf from stupid loud volumes, their idea of reasonable stage volume is silly. If the TC won't cut through that mess, either the amp goes back or I need a new gig.
It's premature to throw in the towel at this point, I've got plenty of time to work with the amp before my trial period runs out. I want to like it, but all the spiffy extra features don't mean squat if it won't get up and go.
Tonight I get to give it a whirl in the band setting.
The problem with living in the sticks is I never get to a music store and try stuff out, and that's not that big of a problem. I tried to get into Bass NW to test the TC's when i was up in Seattle working, I even brought the Dingwall 6 string and the 12/6 cube. Things just didn't work out. If I had been able to pull that plan off, I would have been back to the drawing board. The mail order with trial period gives me some time to get to know the amp. If I end up eating return shipping, it's no big deal.
The fEarfuls are a whole nuther story. That journey started because I hated the way amps and cabs lost oomph in the low ranges. Hooking up the first fEarful was like getting a new amp thrown in with the new cab. I'd never heard the GK do everything it could do, especially down low. We're talking vision blurring, clear power that does justice to the Dingwall's B string.
So, I was surprised that the TC started to roll off in the low registers, I knew it wasn't the cabs that lacked the capability.
The next gig will really tell the story. My band of problem children is half deaf from stupid loud volumes, their idea of reasonable stage volume is silly. If the TC won't cut through that mess, either the amp goes back or I need a new gig.
It's premature to throw in the towel at this point, I've got plenty of time to work with the amp before my trial period runs out. I want to like it, but all the spiffy extra features don't mean squat if it won't get up and go.
Tonight I get to give it a whirl in the band setting.
The problem with living in the sticks is I never get to a music store and try stuff out, and that's not that big of a problem. I tried to get into Bass NW to test the TC's when i was up in Seattle working, I even brought the Dingwall 6 string and the 12/6 cube. Things just didn't work out. If I had been able to pull that plan off, I would have been back to the drawing board. The mail order with trial period gives me some time to get to know the amp. If I end up eating return shipping, it's no big deal.
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