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TecAmp S212/Puma500 Ultra Light Rig

#221
Scott McArron said:
I spoke with Glenn today about the 500/S212 and combo and differences between them.

For one thing, I didn't realize that the combo doesn't have the cool tweeter attenuator that the S212 cab has. Bummer...

And for clarity's sake, he told me that while the S212 has a 'real' tweeter "with a sweeter top end," the combo tweeter is the 4" version with a lower crossover point and less sweet top end in comparison, again with no tweeter attenuator.
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Scott you just had to go and stir the pot... again!! :scowl: ;)

Glenn didn't mention the removal of the tweeter control in the combo to me, I guess he forgot! hmmm...


Also, what would be a 'sweeter' top end? like more open, smooth or something? I find that a bit confusing because I would normally associate larger paper cone type tweeters with that type of description vs. their metallic 'bullet' counterparts.

Scott McArron said:
Just some things to consider. Also, he says the actual volume between the 8 ohm combo and the 4 ohm is about a 1 to 1 1/2 db difference at most and you can only really tell when you a/b the two side by side. But the 4 ohm version, while sounding darker, will not be as even as intended by design since the two 112 speakers will be overpowering the little 4" guy.
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I'm guessing between the lower crossover point and larger tweeter, it's going to sound more like an 'upper extension' of the 12" drivers vs. a traditional bullet tweet. If that is the case, I could see that being reason enough to eliminate the need for tweeter control. (although this one is pretty cool:cool:)

The other point thrown in here is about it being 4ohms instead of 8ohms, thus making the combo's tweeter 'weaker' given it's intended 8ohm impedance. I think this difference would be small like you said (1 to 1-1/2db correct?) and would only be noticeable in an A/B situation. Also, I'm kind of hoping that since I always attenuate the tweeter to around 7-10 o'clock to fit my tone regardless, maybe this cab will land 'defaulted' somewhere in that range. ;)

I'm excited to hear it, and I think this combo is going to be great into 4ohms. I've come to love cabs with a lower crossover point and a bigger tweeter (like my old berg ht115)... seems to add a little oomph the the really high notes on my 6'er. (Kind of too bad they didn't throw in the tweet control - it wouldn't hurt) It's also begining to sound like the combo has been designed to be more on the 'vintage' side of the spectrum compared to the standalone cabs... which is a good thing IHMO;)

Pat.
 
#223
Sorry for being confusing!! oops! :ninja:

I really, really wish I could try this gear side by side in a store somewhere. All the talk about specs and what cab has what only means so much. It's what you really hear that counts. And i want to make sure I'm not missing anything by going with the 8 ohm combo over the 500/S212 rig, or even the 4ohm combo. They're all in the same ballpark of price.

One thing that turned me on to the Puma rig was the attenuator control that I had assumed was in all the cabs and combos. I'd like to be able to get that more Epifani like top-end, but it would sure be nice to go back to the harder attack with the control of a dial.

Too many choices...
 
#224
speyer said:
Scott you just had to go and stir the pot... again!! :scowl: ;)

Glenn didn't mention the removal of the tweeter control in the combo to me, I guess he forgot! hmmm...


Also, what would be a 'sweeter' top end? like more open, smooth or something? I find that a bit confusing because I would normally associate larger paper cone type tweeters with that type of description vs. their metallic 'bullet' counterparts.

Pat.
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Well, I hear I'm good at the ol' pot-stirring, not that I try to be. :smug:

When he mentioned the sweeter top-end, he also said more open, smooth. I took it as more Epifani like than the harder attack of the Berg. So basically, what I got from it was that the S212 is capable of the more Epifani-like high-end while having the ability to get more Berg AE-ish, and the Combo is more towards the tone of the Berg AE line with more upper mids coming out of the tweeter. (Hope I'm making sense!)

The only reason I can see ditchin' my rig for this is for the combo's form factor. If I go back to head/cab combo, like I have, it's an extra piece of gear to carry (F1 fits in my gigbag), plus a cable or two, then carrying it all or using a dolly rather than simply rolling it. Maybe I'm just tooooo freakin' lazy. :rolleyes:
 
#226
dee rob said:
Has anyone tried the Puma with any of the Euphonic Audio cabs? Any thoughts on how the Puma amps might sound going through the EA cabs? Thanks.

dee
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I posted a little bit about the Puma 1000 through the EA NL-210, and how this compared to the S210 (and I mention this a bit more in my upcoming review of the Puma 1000 and S210). In short, the Puma sounds great through EA cabs! :cool:

Tom.
 
#228
Really, in my opinion this Tecamp Puma isnt that good, I tried the 1000 and a 2-12. It just sounds boring and flat and dead.
Just a a other mini with a blanket in front of the speaker, and on top of it the speaker craps out pretty quick. it was not the bass for sure ...PedullaMVP..... Stingray4...
It started distorting very early, which says "HEY im out of Xmax"
At first you dont hear it really that much, but as more as you push it as louder it gets, Basically that means those expensive speakers actually are cheap.

Not good........
 
#229
Lemon said:
Really, in my opinion this Tecamp Puma isnt that good, I tried the 1000 and a 2-12. It just sounds boring and flat and dead.
Just a a other mini with a blanket in front of the speaker, and on top of it the speaker craps out pretty quick. it was not the bass for sure ...PedullaMVP..... Stingray4...
It started distorting very early, which says "HEY im out of Xmax"
At first you dont hear it really that much, but as more as you push it as louder it gets, Basically that means those expensive speakers actually are cheap.

Not good........
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Interesting post... to say the least! :hiding:
 
#230
Okay Okay, I caved. :eek:

After talking with Glenn (for the last time) I have decide to just get the 'stock' 212 combo in 8ohm format. :p

All of this talk about what these cabs/combos are and aren't has been a bit of a roller coaster... and now I've got cold feet! The Osiamo whole warranty thing and no tweeter control... Gawd :help:

I figure "if it aint broke, don't fix it." Thomas Eich and the guys at Tecamp are the pro's, and if they recommend getting the combo in the 8ohm configuration because that's the way it was designed... I'm game. :cool:

Now let me at it... :bassist:


Pat.
 
#233
speyer said:
Interesting post... to say the least! :hiding:
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:D I don't know what he was hearing:confused: However, to be fair, it is a very small box and will eventually run out of steam compared to a large box. That's why I call the s212 a 'super 210' in my reviews. That's just physics. My guess is the 'dull' comment he mentions is user error, since that tweeter attenuator is a bit different design. These cabs and head (as you can hear in my clips posted earlier) have about as open a sound as I could imagine, from the deep lows to the highest trebly highs if you want it, with the amp set flat.
 
#234
Lemon said:
Really, in my opinion this Tecamp Puma isnt that good, I tried the 1000 and a 2-12. It just sounds boring and flat and dead.
Just a a other mini with a blanket in front of the speaker, and on top of it the speaker craps out pretty quick. it was not the bass for sure ...PedullaMVP..... Stingray4...
It started distorting very early, which says "HEY im out of Xmax"
At first you dont hear it really that much, but as more as you push it as louder it gets, Basically that means those expensive speakers actually are cheap.

Not good........
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interesting...
the 1000 into a 2x12 ?
putting 1000 W bridge into a 2x12 that could only support 600 W ?:confused:

Well could you explain a little bit more ?
(cause using my Puma 500 with the 2x12, no possible to distord the cab... :eyebrow:)

And say that the cab is cheap .... it's like trolling ... :ninja:
 
#235
Yeah, I'd be curious to know more details about how he tried out that amp and cab. Was it in a guitar shop with noise all around? Was it for just a couple of minutes? Was it hooked up correctly? Did he experiment with the gain settings? Does he know what he's doing? ;) The "cheap" comment made me :eyebrow: too, it seems unlikely....
 
#236
bongomania said:
Yeah, I'd be curious to know more details about how he tried out that amp and cab. Was it in a guitar shop with noise all around? Was it for just a couple of minutes? Was it hooked up correctly? Did he experiment with the gain settings? Does he know what he's doing? ;) The "cheap" comment made me :eyebrow: too, it seems unlikely....
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If you look at his profile, he's a 'do it yourself' cabinet maker. Most of these guys feel that all 'production cabs' are crap:p:hiding: Everyone has a right to their opinion, but describing this gear the way he did makes me think something else is going on.
 
#240
I stated this in my own thread, but I got a chance to run a Puma 1000 through some paces with an SWR 610. It flat out killed. I can't imagine one of their cabs sounding as bad as described unless something was messed up. My experience with the amp was excellent, other than I want to laugh a little every time I say "puma."
 

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