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Tech 21 VT Bass 1969 head!

#42
christw said:
So, instead of arguing about the power, speakers used, efficiencies, wattage ratings (while not accounting for varied manufacturer THD specs), tube vs ss, or any of that, I'll issue a challenge.

Anyone in Ohio who can find one of these amps, we'll put this up against my SVT-II and see how it stacks up. I think this thing will get nasty loud. Let's find out.
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That would be an interesting showdown. I don't think anyone who ends up buying this new Tech21 head is going in with the illusion that it's equal to any actual all tube SVT head in all it's glory. It might still make for a nice s.s. head though. All be it, a heavier traditional s.s. amp in a micro bass amp world. I'll expect one of the gear mags will do such a showdown when they can get their hands on the new 1969 head.
 
#43
Keep in mind this is 300 watts with VT Bass built in. The "Pedal of the Future," the beast that somehow adds massive volume out of thin air. The pedal effectively doubles the apparrent loudness of my LM II. I only run one cab now most of the time (8 ohms, 300 watts), and still have to watch my volume level lest I drown out my bandmates or cause a painful volume war. I think this VT Bass head will be plenty loud enough.
 
#44
tech21nyc said:
Allow me to respond to some of your questions and comments.

The 300 watt analog power amp in the VT Bass 300 can actually exceed it's rated output and even if it starts to clip it will do so in a musical way much like a tube amp.It was meant to be as loud as an SVT without the weight. This amp will more than hang with any loud drummer and like most bass amps is meant to be your onstage monitor or your primary sound in the average club or venue. If you are playing on a concert stage you will more than likely be using a bigger rig and be pumped through the PA as well.

The difference between an analog amp and a digital amp in terms of power is that a digital amp cannot exceed it's rated output as digital distortion is completely unusable. This is why digital amps have built in limiters. They also don't produce transients in the same way a well designed analog amp can. The benefit of digital just like analog solid state is lighter weight and a smaller amp. We all know how much an SVT head weighs.
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#45
Rimshot said:
So, then...conjecture. Got it.

That's fine, mind you, but I wanted to know what all the hullaballoo was about regarding critiques of a picture of an amp.
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Conjecture: the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.

I think we have more than sufficient evidence to conclude a number of things about the power of this amp, which would mean it's pretty far from conjecture.
 
#48
Anyone know the back story on why Tech 21 discontinued the Landmark 600? I'd heard it had to do with a reliability issue with the power section, but I've not read much about Landmark600 owner's amps breaking down so I don't know if that's true.

The power section from the 600 would definitely make more people interested in the 1969.
 
#49
Originally Posted by tech21nyc
Allow me to respond to some of your questions and comments.

The 300 watt analog power amp in the VT Bass 300 can actually exceed it's rated output and even if it starts to clip it will do so in a musical way much like a tube amp.It was meant to be as loud as an SVT without the weight. This amp will more than hang with any loud drummer and like most bass amps is meant to be your onstage monitor or your primary sound in the average club or venue. If you are playing on a concert stage you will more than likely be using a bigger rig and be pumped through the PA as well.

The difference between an analog amp and a digital amp in terms of power is that a digital amp cannot exceed it's rated output as digital distortion is completely unusable. This is why digital amps have built in limiters. They also don't produce transients in the same way a well designed analog amp can. The benefit of digital just like analog solid state is lighter weight and a smaller amp. We all know how much an SVT head weighs.




this actually sounds like a well thought out response

but the marketing drivel about the " Rocket-engine " just makes them sound like they're trying just a bit too hard to cash in on the behringer/buerga market share, and the direct link that todays kids have with their mommy or daddy's creditcards :scowl:

it sounds like this discussion on how " loud " it is, is totally missing the mark,,, as there's actually way more to an amp besides " loud ",, like tone & headroom maybe,, unless you're the one that's asking mommy or daddy to buy me this one, cause it goes real loud, like an svt :rolleyes:

peace out
 
#50
I would like to give some real world experience to this thread. I own a Landmark 300 head. I have for the last 5 years or so. I have 1 Tech 21 B410 cabinet that I run it through. This produces only 200 watts at the rated 8 ohms. I also own a Genz Benz Shuttle 3.0 head and an Avatar B212 neo. The Neo is 4 ohms and I run the Shuttle at its full 300 watts through it. Side by side the Landmark is way louder at 200 watts than the Shuttle is at its 300 watts. Level on the LM300 is around 75% or below typically for my band, where as the Shuttle is at close to full 100% turned up.

Why is everyone so hung up on the 300 watt thing? Have any of you played through one? I have gigged my Tech 21 rig in the main room at a venue called Bourbon Street 115 here in Chicago. I have two loud guitarists, one very loud drummer, and a keyboardist, there were 800 to 1000 people there and all I was running was my 200 watt at 8 ohm Tech 21 LM300 head. Everyone on stage could hear and feel my bass! Just like the drums, I was not in the monitors at this show due to some technical issues on the venues part. I was in FOH but at venues that large you are going to be anyways. As for no PA support, I have been there before also (Goose Island Brewery Wrigleyville) and the 200/300 watt power section handles filling the room just fine.

I love my Shuttle for the small light package, but man I own the Tech 21 300 watt power section and it doesn't disappoint!
 
#53
NorCal Dog said:
tech21nyc said:
The difference between an analog amp and a digital amp in terms of power is that a digital amp cannot exceed it's rated output as digital distortion is completely unusable. This is why digital amps have built in limiters.
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this actually sounds like a well thought out response
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Ack, no. Or rather, it sounds like one until you stop to think about it for a minute. For one thing they are being totally vague about what they mean by "digital amp". There are a few different things called "digital amps", and they do not all work the same. For another, they are totally conflating the old "tube vs. ss" argument with the new "analog vs. digital" terms. For decades people have been saying that the difference between tube and ss is that "ss distortion is unusable", so ss amps "can't" be run past their rated wattage, which is why they have limiters. Now here Tech21 wants to make it sound like the debate was always about analog vs. digital, which is frankly a lie. The people who made up that bogus, utterly lame and fake-a$$ story were probably the same people who decided to call the 1969 a rocket and a monster.

BTW, I am in no way commenting on the tone, effectiveness, or quality of this amp. I'm just talking about the lies they are trying to feed us, instead of just telling us what's actually good about the amp.
 
#55
bongomania said:
Ack, no. Or rather, it sounds like one until you stop to think about it for a minute. For one thing they are being totally vague about what they mean by "digital amp". There are a few different things called "digital amps", and they do not all work the same. For another, they are totally conflating the old "tube vs. ss" argument with the new "analog vs. digital" terms. For decades people have been saying that the difference between tube and ss is that "ss distortion is unusable", so ss amps "can't" be run past their rated wattage, which is why they have limiters. Now here Tech21 wants to make it sound like the debate was always about analog vs. digital, which is frankly a lie. The people who made up that bogus, utterly lame and fake-a$$ story were probably the same people who decided to call the 1969 a rocket and a monster.
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after taking a moment & re-reading & actually taking another moment to actually comprehend what was being said ( comprehension is a good thing ) i would have to agree
 
#56
bongomania said:
Ack, no. Or rather, it sounds like one until you stop to think about it for a minute. For one thing they are being totally vague about what they mean by "digital amp". There are a few different things called "digital amps", and they do not all work the same. For another, they are totally conflating the old "tube vs. ss" argument with the new "analog vs. digital" terms. For decades people have been saying that the difference between tube and ss is that "ss distortion is unusable", so ss amps "can't" be run past their rated wattage, which is why they have limiters. Now here Tech21 wants to make it sound like the debate was always about analog vs. digital, which is frankly a lie. The people who made up that bogus, utterly lame and fake-a$$ story were probably the same people who decided to call the 1969 a rocket and a monster.

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Agree. Lame marketing. 300 watts are 300 watts. Sorry if that offends some.
 

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