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Telecaster vs. Precision Bass

#141
TN WOODMAN said:
That Crank bass player is Johnny Castle. He's currently playing bass with The Nighthawks. The band, after various personnel changes through the years, has never sounded better. Johnny usually plays his white blonde real '59 p through Eden amplication. The show I saw last month, he used the club's backline Traynor with 4 10s and sounded killer.
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#142
I've had a few of both, and a few inbetweeners...

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#143
-=DanAtkinson=- said:
The J bass neck pickup has the dual-pole design, which reduces attack/transients and extends sustain somewhat.
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Indeed.... much smoother oscilations.

And further to my earlier Curtis Novak reference: this is probably an appropriate part of the debate to point out that Curtis, aswell as providing a split single coil for a Single coil-P/Tele type bass, also provides a Jazz style double magnet pick-up in a Single coil-P/Tele Bass bobbin.

Considerate fella, is Curtis.

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#145
Speculation: Leo Fender and his team decided to wire the split P Bass pickup in series (coincidentally yielding a lower mid hump) as a cheaper way of boosting its output voltage than wiring the pickup halves in parallel which would have required more turns of wire per coil (and which would have yielded a more neutral sounding pickup).

My MIJ Fender VI's stock wiring is parallel in-phase but the 6-pole, 4-position rotary switch I added yields some series in-phase p/u combos which exhibit a higher output and a lower mid hump.
 
#146
One Drop said:
I'm not a die hard, I couldn't give a **** who plays a split coil or a single coil PUP, and I don't care how many others do. It's you who refuses to understand what we are arguing- simply put, more popular= more popular, not more popular=best'. There is no best. There was no best. There will never be a best. At best, best only means what is best to a particular user in a particular situation, and that, too is subjective. Get over it, or keep arguing about 'best' like kids do at recess.

What's the best flavour of ice cream? What is the best bass for metal? Who is the best TBer? What is the best way to make you actually listen to what any of us are saying? You refuse to acknowledge anyone's arguments, you just keep repeating a logical fallacy. Again, repeating it over and over will not turn it into a fact, though you seem to think otherwise.

Oh, and your figures are wrong anyway. The SC tele bass was offered for 5 years, 1968-72. The Sting RI was sold in the US for many years, as were the Paisley and Blue Flower reissues, and so were various CS versions. Many small builders have been making versions for years, and after-market versions of the PUPs have been made available by various companies, and still are, for years. It's an inconvenient fact that you have tried to minimize by citing small sales, but you have no idea how many sell. I assume sales are good enough for these companies to feel the need to fill demand. None of this supports or refutes your argument about the superiority or lack thereof of the SC PUP, but it does illustrate your lack of intellectual rigour, and your lack of ability to distinguish fact from conjecture.

I'm not trying to convince you anything about what is better or worse, no one else here is either, in fact the opposite is true. Just trying to illustrate the futility of arguing the nebulous concept of 'best'.

BTW, I ain't no chickenhawk!
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Here, here.

There is no "best" except what works best for an individual player. For me, that's a Rickenbacker 4001/4003. For others, that's a classic Fender P-bass. For others, it's a '51 style P-bass. For many, it's a J-bass. And it's something entirely different for many others.

The Fender P-bass probably has outsold Sadowsky J-style basses. Does that mean it's better? No, it's just different, and popular.
 
#152
I finally convinced the guy to go back to the "vintage" spec....initially he just wanted it refretted. Since he is a good friend and I am in the interest of restoring this for him (money wise, he does not have alot), but I'm doing basically "what he can, when he can", I'll start with stripping the poly off of the neck, get it cleaned up, decaled and shoot nitro back on to it.

As far as the body color, I'll leave it up to him to decide. he also still has the original pickup as well, I had suggested that he send it to Fralin, to get re-wound (Jason Lollar is not re-winding currently).



johnk_10 said:
nice bass, and a great project and a nice candidate for a restoration since it hasn't been routed.
the body doesn't look like poplar to me.
what color are you goin to paint it? (back to the original 2TSB?)
and i'm hoping that you're going to put some reverse tuners on it. ;)
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#153
Love 'em!
The white one is loaded with a G&L MFD-P pup, and it's a super heavy hitter.
The DarkStar'd Tele (no routing required) is a great bass, but limited sonically. With the LaBella black tapes on there, it's great for jazz and lighter duty blues and r-n-b stuff, but it's never gonna cut thru a very dense mix.

cassius987 said:
Those are both like projects I've been scheming for years. How do you like 'em?
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#155
That was a Warmoth based project, with Nord pickups and Sadowsky preamp.
I ran both rounds and flats on it, depending what my mood was;)
Chromes worked really well on it.
 
#156
Here's one for you guys.

My Warmoth build that I'm planning. Does Warmoth restrict anything as far as configurations (by Fender's insistence)?

I've been checking out the fender 60th anniversary P, but hate that they didn't do it as a slab.

Would Warmoth say no to building a bass so close to an existing Fender?
 
#157
-=DanAtkinson=- said:
I absolutely love the look of the 51. Can't beat it, IMO. There's just something about the simplicity, the slab body, the funky pickguard, the headstock, etc. And the nasty SC hum can be tamed with a proper shielding job very easily.

The only problem for me is the pickup shape. I always anchor my thumb on the pickup, and I've grown very accustomed to how J and P pickups feel. The 51 pickup is more narrow which puts my thumb too close to the E string. That's the main reason I don't play my 51 more often. But the tone is killer, especially with dead flats.
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I had trouble as well, as I usually use a floating thumb, but sometimes rest it on the PUP. They are quite delicate and I've heard of the things exploding after being leaned on too long. In this detail, the split coil is, truly, 'better'.

Sue me.
 
#158
"pickups exploding when used as thumbrest"

When I was shopping replacement pups for my first 51PRI, this was a concern I asked about with Nord, Lollar and SD.
They all said if that ever happened, they'd warranty a replacement with no questions asked.
 
#159
Rickett Customs said:
I finally convinced the guy to go back to the "vintage" spec....initially he just wanted it refretted. Since he is a good friend and I am in the interest of restoring this for him (money wise, he does not have alot), but I'm doing basically "what he can, when he can", I'll start with stripping the poly off of the neck, get it cleaned up, decaled and shoot nitro back on to it.

As far as the body color, I'll leave it up to him to decide. he also still has the original pickup as well, I had suggested that he send it to Fralin, to get re-wound (Jason Lollar is not re-winding currently).
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if it were me, i'd send the pickup to seymour duncan, since IMO, fralins don't sound like original fenders at all.
 

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