bikeplate said:
My comment was out of line. I apologize and wish you best of luck. Keep Rockin'
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The Eagle Has Landed!!! Sadowsky All-Tube Head!!!
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My comment was out of line. I apologize and wish you best of luck. Keep Rockin'
Just to put things in perspective, here in Denmark for example a Fender Custom Shop jazz costs what would be around 5000$, a MM Sterling costs 3100$, and a Aguilar DB750 costs 4000$..To me sadowsky's products are cheaper than the regular products I can buy in my local music shop!..I have had 3 sadowsky's and though my small hand preferred the Sterling, the sadowsky basses are superioer regarding TONE and finish and overall MOJO...I can easily understand why someone would spend the extra money on a sadowsky, they are worth every dollar to me.....If just I could hear that SA200
Sadowsky threads are always a good read. I hope Roger releases his own line of toilet paper as I'm sure the same arguments will be made from both sides no matter what the product.
Wating for the softest tp yet,
Mike
Wating for the softest tp yet,
Mike
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Larry, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I understand that you think that the SA200 is overpriced. I understand that you do not plan on buying one. I understand that you love your Schroeders. I understand that you are entitled to your own opinion, as I am entitled to mine.
What more do you want?
Tom.
What more do you want?
Tom.
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Larry Kaye said:
I wouldn't normally post in threads like this because i'm a 20year old music student from australia what would i know.
But. i think that is a rather odd thing to say. what do you mean sounding just as good? as good as what? what if i don't like the sound of schroeder cabs, i like crate cabs for some strange reason. then i'm patting myself on the back because i sound just as good using my trusty crates?
i bought a sadowsky earlier this year, a new uv70's metro. for all i know i might even be the only guy in australia with an ultra vintage metro. i'm a 20 year old student who lives at home with his parents but it took me a long time to save for that bass. i tried a japanese 75 reissue fender, a usa, and other stuff but it wasn't what i wanted. my friends and other bassplayers don't understand why i spent that much and they like their cheap basses more but i feel happy and inspired when i pick up my instrument. even though it took a long time to save, and people might think it stupid that i'm not a pro even though i've been doing lots of gigs its about what makes me happy. i didn't think about the money. i'm going to start saving gradually so i can by an mv5 to match. heaps of other 5 strings in the world. ultimately i would like to buy lots of basses and amps because i like all there sounds, i'm blessed that i like the sound of the thunderfunk and its not to expensive, i also like aguilar gear, that is expensive.
perhaps i can take satisfaction and count my lucky stars that i don't want an alembic 5 string that would cost 3 times the sadowsky, and at least i sound as good....
hope this rant makes sense... i'm really tired after doing a 3 set deping gig
mike_v_s said:
I want the Ultra Vintage toilet paper with blocks and binding.
(Disclaimer: I own a Sadowsky)
tommixx said:Whether you think I should come in here and say anything is totally pointless....
Attacking me is certainly no way to get your point across (whatever it is
Fair enough tommixx. I expressed my opinion just as you have. That's all. It doesn't deserve as much attention as you have given it. We all suppose alot of things around here.
You missed the point of my post? I thought it was pretty clear. If not, I apologize.
I started reading this thread from post one. When I got to your comments about prices, I felt it was inappropriate to speak on the makers behalf. You don't know how much he pays for those parts any more than I do. My comment did not seem out of context with the current "feel" of the thread at the time I posted. Perhaps I should have sent you my thoughts in a PM. My fault.
For the record, the price of the amp looks to be equal to the quality. I would have no problem buying one if I needed it.
-Mike
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Hey Guys, did you know that Sadowsky SA200 is an awesome sounding 200W all tube head that costs $2800.00?
Man the thing sounds great.
Man the thing sounds great.
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metron said:
Wow, back on topic! I was a bit confused there.
I'd say it's certainly my favorite tone that I have been able to coax from a tube head, and that probably goes for SS as well (the Walter Woods Ultra is a really nice sounding head, but I think the SA200 edges it a bit in the tone department).
Tom.
tombowlus said:Wow, back on topic! I was a bit confused there.
I'd say it's certainly my favorite tone that I have been able to coax from a tube head, and that probably goes for SS as well (the Walter Woods Ultra is a really nice sounding head, but I think the SA200 edges it a bit in the tone department).
Tom.
Knowing what Tom has to choose from, that is high praise indeed.
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popinfresh said:
Well, the V8 has a whole range of overdriven tones that the SA200 cannot do (nor was it designed to do). As for the clean tone, there are certainly similarities, though my impression at this point is that the SA200 sounds a bit more like the Valve series (Twin, Quatra, Hexa) than the V-series (V-4, V-6, V-8). I am trying to find the time to do some direct comparisons of tube heads (man, I've been trying to cram a lot of gear "testing" into some very limited windows of time!), but without making a direct comparison, my quick impression is that the SA200 is a bit more smooth and warm (but still tight), and the V8 is a bit more aggressive and of course it has tremendous headroom, which really makes itself apparent. I'd hate to speculate any further absent a head to head comparison.
Tom.
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SMASH said:
About halfway through this thread, I posted my thoughts following a gig with the SA200 (into the NV215). I found that it worked very well (though I was definitely using most of the 210 watts on hand). The tone was outstanding, and I left the Mid control set at noon.
Tom.
I'm only asking this to clarify, not to add any fuel to the fire or start another thread, so I'm using my preference as a starting point.
I really like Schroeder cabinets....it's documented through talkbass.com. It's a given stone cold fact.
Would it be considered flaming or berating? Schroeder cabinets if someone would say that for $500 less (for example) I could have Dr bass, LDS, or Avatar built me the same 410 cabinet?
Should I take offense to this comment as a put down or flamer or just a poster making a suggestion based on his/her perception, opinion, experience and knowledge, one that's actually looking out for me in the poster's opinion?
What if the poster suggested that I consider spending $1750 for a combination of X and Y cabinets instead of the above scenario? Any difference?
I don't feel either suggestion/opinion is a flamer at all, just as I don't feel that saying you can likely (notice...likely leaves room to be wrong here) find something much less expensive that will get the same or darn close to the same results, tone and volume as XXXXX Brand of amp with YYYYYY Brand and an outboard EQ for $1000 less or $2000.00 doesn't matter. It's just a statement of my, one person, opinion.
To Mr. Dave. You are perfectly correct in your interpretation of my comment....whether it's my saying that I can get my sound for $4500.00 or someone feels that they got "their" sound with a NYC Sadowsky, a SA200, and the new Bergie/Sadowsky 410 for $7500 let's say, the only thing that's objective here is I paid $3000 less to get my sound. To automatically question my statement as wrong is no less odd in my opinion.
Whether that sound to you or the Sadowsky crowd is not as good, equal to, or "better than", is totally subjective, as us ny opinion on my rig's performance...It may sound odd, but it's just an opinion, but one based on a heck of a lot of trial and error and experience in the real world of playing at over 400 different venues and over 2500 total gigs.
Now to you....that experience may mean nothing or not...that's up to you, but it's been my experience having bought very highend , average priced, new and used gear, and everything in between. Also, some people can get great tone for next to nothing and some can never get it, no matter what they spend and everything in between.
I guarantee you tonewise I am every bit as nit picky as anyone else, but, it's all based on my ears, just as the tone of the $7500.00 Sadowsky rig above, or the AGuilar 750 I commented on, or whether it's a USA J bass, a Yorkville YBA200 with a DOD 15 band eq added to the effects loop, and a Schroeder 410 for $3200, tone quality is based on the ears of the beholder.
I'm trying to say that it's just as "odd" as you put it for anyone, including the Sadowskyite's to dogmatically state that their opinion about subjective matters is absolute truth and/or anyone else's perception not only is wrong, but doesn't belong on the forum.
I personally appreciate your non-inflamitory comments and hope you have a very successful career at whatever level you choose. You certainly are starting it off well equipment wise with the Sadowsky bass you bought. Great axe!!!
Lkaye
I really like Schroeder cabinets....it's documented through talkbass.com. It's a given stone cold fact.
Would it be considered flaming or berating? Schroeder cabinets if someone would say that for $500 less (for example) I could have Dr bass, LDS, or Avatar built me the same 410 cabinet?
Should I take offense to this comment as a put down or flamer or just a poster making a suggestion based on his/her perception, opinion, experience and knowledge, one that's actually looking out for me in the poster's opinion?
What if the poster suggested that I consider spending $1750 for a combination of X and Y cabinets instead of the above scenario? Any difference?
I don't feel either suggestion/opinion is a flamer at all, just as I don't feel that saying you can likely (notice...likely leaves room to be wrong here) find something much less expensive that will get the same or darn close to the same results, tone and volume as XXXXX Brand of amp with YYYYYY Brand and an outboard EQ for $1000 less or $2000.00 doesn't matter. It's just a statement of my, one person, opinion.
To Mr. Dave. You are perfectly correct in your interpretation of my comment....whether it's my saying that I can get my sound for $4500.00 or someone feels that they got "their" sound with a NYC Sadowsky, a SA200, and the new Bergie/Sadowsky 410 for $7500 let's say, the only thing that's objective here is I paid $3000 less to get my sound. To automatically question my statement as wrong is no less odd in my opinion.
Whether that sound to you or the Sadowsky crowd is not as good, equal to, or "better than", is totally subjective, as us ny opinion on my rig's performance...It may sound odd, but it's just an opinion, but one based on a heck of a lot of trial and error and experience in the real world of playing at over 400 different venues and over 2500 total gigs.
Now to you....that experience may mean nothing or not...that's up to you, but it's been my experience having bought very highend , average priced, new and used gear, and everything in between. Also, some people can get great tone for next to nothing and some can never get it, no matter what they spend and everything in between.
I guarantee you tonewise I am every bit as nit picky as anyone else, but, it's all based on my ears, just as the tone of the $7500.00 Sadowsky rig above, or the AGuilar 750 I commented on, or whether it's a USA J bass, a Yorkville YBA200 with a DOD 15 band eq added to the effects loop, and a Schroeder 410 for $3200, tone quality is based on the ears of the beholder.
I'm trying to say that it's just as "odd" as you put it for anyone, including the Sadowskyite's to dogmatically state that their opinion about subjective matters is absolute truth and/or anyone else's perception not only is wrong, but doesn't belong on the forum.
I personally appreciate your non-inflamitory comments and hope you have a very successful career at whatever level you choose. You certainly are starting it off well equipment wise with the Sadowsky bass you bought. Great axe!!!
Lkaye
