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The Fifths Tuning Club

String & Bass update... (IHMO content only)

If you've been perusing the TB classifieds well before the holidays, you might have seen that I've been rotating out basses - out with the >4 strings and in with the new 5ths tuned 4 stringers. While my new Tom Clement 4 string Kim is being built, I though that I'd give an update on 5ths tuned strings that I've found that work well.

(Side note as a FYI for this exercise) I figured I'd string up each bass (with a variety of strings) that would serve either a specific or a "broad" musical purpose... Of course adjusting the tone controls changes the tonal palette - but I'm really digging the focused attention that a bass oriented with specific strings and towards a specific purpose brings to the party.

I ended up with:
  • Streamer is my slap king and modern sounding bass and wears DR Hi Beams - FWIW, the reversed P pickup on the Streamer works very well and can sub for a Fender P with a normal P pickup position - I do notice that the higher notes ring a bit more clearly on the Streamer than on any of my current or former Fender Precisions (MIM, USA & Japan)
  • Urge II is my all around go to Bass and wears Fat Beams - I can get just about anything out of this bass/string combination - well, except for a deep reggae/dub tone as the tone knob only goes to Zero and doesn't go to -10
  • Thumb fretless is to mimic my upright during the cold Colorado winters and wears GHS Black Nylon Tapewounds - Terrific string and most places no longer have any stock left - mine came from GHS directly and through their custom shop - I will definitely be ordering more of these and soon so that I have them on hand in case a string fails...
  • Thumb fretted is another all around go to bass and wears GHS Pressure Wound strings - a bit less string noise, ballsy tone, wide range of tone control, slap is great, finger style is superb, tension is just right
  • MIM Precision has LaBella 1954 original heavies - yes, I still like these strings and consider them the best of the strings available for a flat wound strings with heavy tension - pick tones and fingerstyle is superb
  • (and) I'm pretty sure that the new Tom Clement Kim will also wear GHS Pressure Wound strings for the long haul - in this build with Tom, I was going for a bigger tone than the Roscoe Beck IV that I had (and sold) - and truly loved that bass too - I think that the TC Kim with a pair of Nordstrand BigMan pickups (switched front coil, rear coil and parallel for each pickup) will be the tone bomb.
FWIW, I also tried:
  • LaBella DTFs on my precision - tension was sort of wacky and they didn't sound good after ~20 hours of play time
  • TI Jazz Flats on the Hoppus - these are really my favorite lower tension flatwound string for 5ths tuning. Luckily, I had an old/used set to install (and even bought a new 5 string set to have on hand) and they're great. If I wasn't working to get a Graham Moby sound for some Joe Jackson tunes, I'd have kept them on the P/J Hoppus
  • Kalium on the Urge - loved the set, but wanted to go up in tension from what I ordered - found a set of Hi Beams on sale and tried them - outstanding strings
  • Dean Markley SR2000 - had a set from my old 7 string days - okay tension, bright as the sun, but the Hi Beams are better
  • Chromes on my Thumbs - I wanted more mids and lows and tried them - Chromes do have overwhelming mids on a Thumb and I couldn't get any joy after about 20 hours or so of hard playing - I really wanted to love them, but this is my second go around with Chromes and I'm still not a fan
  • DR Sunbeams - flexy string - good, but not my cup of tea.
So, hear's the deal - each set that I tried (except for the LaBella DTF's) worked well for 5ths tuning. Each string intonated properly and there was ample range on the bridge adjustment (on my basses at least). Even the 1954's intonated properly at the 12th fret. No fat out of phase warbles when playing on the C string higher than the 12th fret either - which was not always the case when tuning in 4ths. Also, all are/were strung at the top of the bridge, though the TI's are strung through body on my Hoppus as the bridge cannot top load strings at all.

Finally, once I figure out "my" desired string tension, I'll likely go back to Kalium for custom 5ths string sets. In the interim, the GHS Pressure Wound seems to be my "go to" round wound string set for 5ths. Black nylon tape wound strings are still a joy to play and they virtually never wear out, nor does the tone change much as they age. Also, I do like the tighter feel of Hi Beams, and my Streamer seems to love them. Oh, and the Rotosound Tru Bass 88's capture a specific tone on a P/J that I was after and they're staying too - I just wish that their tension was a bit higher... (and) that GHS hadn't discontinued their version of the Black Nylons.

Again, here's to those that tune in 5ths and for daring to be different!

Cheers,

John
 
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Streamer is my slap king and modern sounding bass and wears DR Hi Beams - FWIW, the reversed P pickup on the Streamer works very well and can sub for a Fender P with a normal P pickup position - I do notice that the higher notes ring a bit more clearly on the Streamer than on any of my current or former Fender Precisions (MIM, USA & Japan)

I've contemplated a reverse P in the bridge position to tighten up the open C-string and slightly warm up the A-string.


Kalium on the Urge - loved the set, but wanted to go up in tension from what I ordered - found a set of Hi Beams on sale and tried them - outstanding strings

Which series of Kalium strings did you try...the Hybrid or the Steel?
 
On all of those sets, are you tuning the G string up to A?

I've been tuning a high C string down to A, I love the slightly lower tension for popping

Actually, I've done both - C->A and G->A. C's are a bit too loose for my tastes, but I did have a couple of Nylons that I tried (from a 6 string set) and they sounded great and the tension wasn't too bad either. For the most part though, I'm using standard 5 string sets and tuning accordingly - but remember that my tastes really run towards higher tension (YMMV).

John
 
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Alright! Just got a new bass, a Squier Affinity PJ in Race Red :D

Ordered some Kalium Hybrids, .130, .86, .57, .37

Apparently I've got to wait since they're moving, but I get a discount in the meantime.

So I guess I'll throw the 6-string set back on! I'm guessing it's .125, .85, .65, .30. It'll work for now, but the tension is all over the place.
 
I've contemplated a reverse P in the bridge position to tighten up the open C-string and slightly warm up the A-string.

Which series of Kalium strings did you try...the Hybrid or the Steel?

Tried both on different 6's and 4's. Fan of both but for different reasons. The Stainless strings are really brilliant sounding (in a good way!) If I'm working on Mark King or Flea stuff, I really prefer the Stainless strings as pop(s)/thump(s) really jump out at you. The Hybrid truly is one of my favorite finger style strings ever. Tone is round and bright, but not too much so. After the hybrids mellow just a bit, they last a really long time in that midrange of sound/tone quality. Even after they are pretty dead, they still sound really good too.

The Kalium Stainless strings seem a bit stiff - also which I like - where the Hybrids seem to me to be really flexible. FWIW, I ran a .142" as my low C in a Hybrid and it really sounded fantastic - and it wasn't loose feeling or sounding at all, but I never went that big in the Stainless steel.

Makes sense?

John
 
Tried both on different 6's and 4's. Fan of both but for different reasons. The Stainless strings are really brilliant sounding (in a good way!) If I'm working on Mark King or Flea stuff, I really prefer the Stainless strings as pop(s)/thump(s) really jump out at you. The Hybrid truly is one of my favorite finger style strings ever. Tone is round and bright, but not too much so. After the hybrids mellow just a bit, they last a really long time in that midrange of sound/tone quality. Even after they are pretty dead, they still sound really good too.

I've tried the Hybrid but not the Steels. The Hybrids were much brighter than I expected for a nickel coated round wound. I can see why you would go Steels for the King stuff.

The Kalium Stainless strings seem a bit stiff - also which I like - where the Hybrids seem to me to be really flexible. FWIW, I ran a .142" as my low C in a Hybrid and it really sounded fantastic - and it wasn't loose feeling or sounding at all, but I never went that big in the Stainless steel.

Interesting, I'm surprised that the Steels actually feel stiff compared to the Hybrids. I'm assuming you're comparing apples to apples when it comes to string gauges between the Steel and Hybrid sets here...
 
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TapyTap,

IMHO, the Kalium Hybrids do start off bright (not as bright as their Stainless strings), and sound really great after just a bit of playing time - at least once the initial brightness wears off, they stay in what I call "the playing zone" for a really long time.

Yep, the Hybrids/Stainless strings were the same gauge... Unsure, though it is possible that they could have been just be a tad higher tension v. being actually stiff even though they were the same gauge - and I only tries one set of each type. What I do know is that I felt a difference between the two (again YMMV).

Also know that I do prefer high tension C strings (ideally) with descending tension from C to A which is the opposite of what most package strings are. Oh, and I ran both Kalium sets on a fretted 34" scale fretted 6 by Tom Clement. I've since sold off the bass with both sets of strings or I'd run down stairs and do a quick check.

John
 
Yep, the Hybrids/Stainless strings were the same gauge... Unsure, though it is possible that they could have been just be a tad higher tension v. being actually stiff even though they were the same gauge - and I only tries one set of each type. What I do know is that I felt a difference between the two (again YMMV).

Thanks for the info. As nickel is denser than steel, I would have thought the Hybrids would have a bit more tension than the Kalium steels of the same gauge. Then again, I'm assuming the steels are the same exact construction/dimensions as the Hybrids. Perhaps the core and/or wraps are slightly different between the two string styles while the gauges are equal? Interesting.

Also know that I do prefer high tension C strings (ideally) with descending tension from C to A which is the opposite of what most package strings are.

I'm of the same mind.


Oh, and I ran both Kalium sets on a fretted 34" scale fretted 6 by Tom Clement. I've since sold off the bass with both sets of strings or I'd run down stairs and do a quick check.

That's not a problem...thanks!
 
Nah, that should be pretty close to EADG strings' standard tension. I use the same gauges except for an .060 D and never had problems on either of the three bassess I've had Chromes on (well, three and a half, sorta, I guess four basses but two of them had the same neck), including one with a 35" scale.
 
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Guess I have to wait longer to try out the Chromes. USPS lost my package, so I'm out $40 and have to wait 2 more weeks for strings again. I'll see if there's an option for a different carrier next time.

At least it wasn't something super expensive, but I learned my lesson.
BSO has options for UPS and USPS, also you can usually get package insurance for only a couple bucks.
 
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Chromes are here! :D I only was able to get the nut filed to .130, hope the fat string will fit. Will be stringing them onto my new Sterling SUB SB4.

Update. Chromes are perfect! Loving the tone as well, I have no reason to mess with the pickups or preamp on this bass.

My only problem was with the low string. I just found out that the typical Chrome B-string is extremely thick at the ball end, since it's not tapered and there's a ton of silk. So I cut down the silk some, but it still didn't fit. Decided I was not going to drill the bridge, so I just crimped the heck out of the silky end of the string, then with lots of angry muscle and elbow grease, I got the string through the hole. All is well! Didn't need to adjust the truss rod at all, but did a full setup once again and this bass plays like a dream. Surprisingly, I can get a decent slap tone, too. I don't really slap much but I'd like the bass to be able to for those rare times that I need it.
 
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