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The GHS Thread

my apologies for the misunderstanding.

They have the set packaged as "Long Plus" but 4 of the 5 strings are "Long Plus"

The E-String is too short...

I stopped selling them / listing them on my site because I was not.

They list the set as a "Standard Long" set in their catalog but the B-String is Extra long. I'll order a new one and see if they have corrected the issue, but according to the part numbers listed in the previous post nothing has changed...

It is still:

45 - Long Plus 38"
65 - Long Plus 38"
85 - Long Plus 38"
105 - LONG SCALE 36.5"
131 - Long Plus 38"

When I approached them about this they said - "We already printed the catalog so it wont change"

Like I said however, I will re-order the set and see if they did make any changes... however, I do not see any "Long Plus 105" strings in their current catalog, or Long Scale B-strings for that matter...
 
I wonder if my most recent order will ship from GHS then. Hmm

Why on Earth are they discontinued?

I am waiting on a message back from them.. I will hear on Monday..

They discontinued a lot of singles... Since those strings are no longer listed on the current price list I have to assume they are discontinued, they may have some old stock however...

I'll know Monday.
 
Like I said however, I will re-order the set and see if they did make any changes... however, I do not see any "Long Plus 105" strings in their current catalog, or Long Scale B-strings for that matter...

I'd be more than happy to run into the warehouse and check stock on this to save you some time when I get in tomorrow.

As for the catalog, it's horribly outdated at this point (which I'm sure you know). We're looking at having it redone, but I'm pushing to have it more as a digital document, so any issues with the book can be easily remedied.
 
I'd be more than happy to run into the warehouse and check stock on this to save you some time when I get in tomorrow.

As for the catalog, it's horribly outdated at this point (which I'm sure you know). We're looking at having it redone, but I'm pushing to have it more as a digital document, so any issues with the book can be easily remedied.

Cool let me know! You have to open the package and check for sure.
 
Have to mention GHS Precision Flats in this thread. Superb feel and tone, especially suited to P basses and their clones. The windings are glassy smooth, and they literally last forever with proper care. Top it off with the fact that they're reasonably priced and you have a string that's hard to beat.

+1 Agree. I have them on my Precision and they are perfect for that well focused fundamental tone. Great purcussive attack. Holds tune well.
 
Cool let me know! You have to open the package and check for sure.

Definitely.

Here's what I found. The 5L8000 set (40, 60, 80, 100, 126) no problem, as all of the strings are extra long scale (38"). The 5M8000 set (45, 65, 85, 105, 131) still has the shorter (36.5") E string.

Will inquire as to why that still is the case, since I know this is not a new problem, and see if there are any plans to remedy it.
 
I wonder if my most recent order will ship from GHS then. Hmm

Why on Earth are they discontinued?

The official word from our national salesperson is that, sadly, we don't sell nearly enough of a number of gauges to justify keeping them in stock and available. It's definitely not for lack of want or not caring, but when the numbers show a very drastic difference between our popular gauges and the not-so-popular, it becomes clear.

And I'm with you guys; I've been using a custom set of Progressives for many years so I'm not immune to this as well.
 
OK, for B strings, I like the .135 or .136 in Progressive and the .138 regular long scale in Super Steels.

They're relatively inexpensive. So everyone please buy one of each, whatever you play otherwise, to have as spares so GHS will continue to make them so I can purchase them when I need them for my gigs and GHS won't discontinue them.

:cool:
 
The official word from our national salesperson is that, sadly, we don't sell nearly enough of a number of gauges to justify keeping them in stock and available. It's definitely not for lack of want or not caring, but when the numbers show a very drastic difference between our popular gauges and the not-so-popular, it becomes clear.

And I'm with you guys; I've been using a custom set of Progressives for many years so I'm not immune to this as well.

Understandable but so sad. :(
 
It's not the first time a company has changed things. D'Addario half-flats used to be stainless, similar to GHS Brite Flats, now they are pure nickel, and I can't play them because I corrode nickel.

Gibson Sonomatic steel flats used to be an industry standard. But guitar flats are now only a marginal market, and Gibson discontinued them.

And of course, within the last couple of years, Fender changed the recipe for their flats. I really like the change, but there is a sizable contingent that miss the darker older recipe.

Moral of the story: when you find strings you really, really like: buy a whole bunch of them and put them in a sealed zero-humidity container. Let's see: I'm 51. I intend on playing until I'm at least 80, so @ 30 years. At that point, I will reevaluate. At @ 3 years life per set for me, I'm considering purchasing 10 sets at @$25/set incl. shipping, $250 to make sure I have my favorite strings for the next 30 years is a small price to pay.
 
So for clarification, is there anything that needs to be taken from or added to the below list on what is actually available?

Single String Gauge:

.030 - Long+
.035 - Long+
.040 - Long+
.045 - Long+
.050 - Long+
.055 - Long+
.060 - Long+
.065 - Long+
.070 - Long+
.080 - Long+
.085 - Long+
.091 - Long+
.095SH - Long
.096 - Long+
.096SH - Extra Long
.100SH - Long
.105SH - Long
.126SH - Extra Long
.131SH - Extra Long
 
This is pointed at GHS Official. I'm not shooting the messenger, but I do expect him to forward my criticisms upstream to management.

My folks have had a variety of businesses, large and small, for a century. They all did well, irrespective of the type or time of the business, because they all studied how to market it properly, irrespective of season, the economy, or any other factor. There is only one reason that the strings were discontinued. It's not because they didn't sell. They didn't sell because they weren't marketed properly.

For example, my favorite that got discontinued, the .138 Super Steels regular long, is about the perfect B string to match conventional 34-inch scale, top load bridges without binding at either end for about 80% of the five-string basses that are out there, irrespective of the brand or gauge of stainless roundwound used for the EADG, and the string has consistent tone and tension to match with most stainless steel .105's, or in GHS case, also their .106 stainless roundwound E string.

If all the great things about this string were marketed, along with putting it in a set of .045-.105 instead of the wimpy .121 or .126 that is only good to use as a garrote, then it would still be on the factory line.

The same goes for the .135 & .136 Progressives, which are about the best round non-stainless wrap B string out there. But because they weren't marketed, company management gets the chicken and the egg turned around and we all starve.

Yes, I am angry. But I did manage to find a half dozen of the .138 Super Steel singles, which should last me about a decade. Then I'll think about using something else if GHS doesn't start making them again in the meantime, which they should.

Just like the century old rivalry between Ford and Chevy, D'Addario, as opposed to GHS right now, does market their strings and puts the odd gauges in sets, and has been reevaluating their sets in the past few years. GHS hasn't changed their sets makeup (except for the short-lived B-52 Boomers, which needed to go away) since I started playing guitar in the mid-'70's (Well, they do have a few more Boomers guitar sets, including those with wound 3rds instead of plain so I don't have to custom order guitar G strings anymore, but I digress). Currently, I'm using flats for a bunch of things, including my favorite, the new Fenders. But I don't like the Fender B string, either, and D'Addario is marketing the packaging off their .132 Chromes B string, which is a great string. It's not going to be discontinued anytime soon, because they include it in their Chromes 5-string sets. It is what I have on now, and it goes well with Chromes otherwise, as well as Fender Flats and the GHS Precision Flats.

Marketing. It's all in the proper marketing. GHS used to be the best at it, especially when Progressives were introduced a little more than twenty years ago. I remember when they were new, and I could get singles, and my Rick 4002 has worn nothing but them in 45-60-80-105 since there were Progressives to purchase.

Did I say proper marketing and reintroduction of the product? The recession is over. Time to start marketing.

Marketing. Proper marketing.
 
Seems like GHS went through this thread, marked down everything that people absolutely LOVED...then quit making it. Now that's how to run a business.

Monday I went to order a custom set of Progressives with a .136 B string. I ordered Dean Markleys instead. Got the gauges I wanted and saved $15 so maybe it was a blessing in disguise.
 
This post grew in size since I first saw it... I really want to stay out of it as it is directed to GHS directly... However, the following quote is the reason why manufacturers discontinue product.

Yes, I am angry. But I did manage to find a half dozen of the .138 Super Steel singles, which should last me about a decade. Then I'll think about using something else if GHS doesn't start making them again in the meantime, which they should.

You are not their only customer, however, if you already now have a supply that will last you almost ten years why keep them in their production run?

To stop production and re-tool a machine to produce a small production run of strings does not justify the cost. They need to make at least a gross (144) strings to really make it worth their time. Not many users purchase larger diameter B strings so this amount literally could be a few years supply.

They like to keep inventory constantly moving and fresh. Aging inventory just ads to cost, and the likeliness of the end user getting a "dead" string.

GHS is really good about their production and inventory. They also manufacturer and manufacturer more and more strings for private labels.

I literally order from GHS every day, and there are only two SKU's that I regularly sell that have ever gone on back order and that was once out of the nearly 3 years I am working with them.
 
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