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The Great Bass Preamp/DI Comparison

So I did a thing. Eeeesh.

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After listening to countless demos online, and obsessing over it as only I can do, I decided to give the Stomp a shot. Down the road I might consider upgrading to a tube DI, but that is a conversation for another time.
Oh, I think I can give you a run for your money on the "obsessing as only I can do" part of your post.:D

I'm actually going to use the HXS from church tonight for a Xmas party gig. If no one can tell, I'll probably buy one for myself. I'll have my other stuff along just in case, but I'm going to resist the urge to run it into my REDDI as ideally I want the HXS to be able to stand on it's own.
 
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Oh, I think I can give you a run for your money on the "obsessing as only I can do" part of your post.:D

I'm actually going to use the HXS from church tonight for a Xmas party gig. If no one can tell, I'll probably buy one for myself. I'll have my other stuff along just in case, but I'm going to resist the urge to run it into my REDDI as ideally I want the HXS to be able to stand on it's own.

As the OP of this thread...I have obsessed and tried many different things. I have had great success with the Line6 stuff. I run a HX Stomp and an Pod Go and both sound excellent. I also have a board with a Shaw Tube Injection and an Ampeg PF-50T that I seldom ever use because the Line6 stuff is so good.
 
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Oh, I think I can give you a run for your money on the "obsessing as only I can do" part of your post.:D
Truth. I forgot who I was talking to, lol. We all have a problem, and nobody around here ever encourages people NOT to spend money. We only feed each other's sickness(es) . . . in the best possible way. But with most every purchase/swap these days, my tone gets better and better. The quest is totally worth it. Plus, it's job security for my mailman.
 
I am still curious about the Bergantino pedal. I'm guessing as a dedicated bass pedal (instead of a do it all pedal like the HXS) that it will sound amazing. It's a little bigger, and everyone is guessing about the same price. IDK. I'm sure it'll be amazing, but after working with the HXS a little, I think it sounds pretty darn good, especially live in a mix. And if I ever want to play with effects, I'd have them. If I could get convincing synth sounds, I could even eliminate using my giant Yamaha MODX6 at gigs. I could take the synth bass channel and my bass channel and run stereo I suppose. :help:
 
So I did a thing. Eeeesh.

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I was looking at my ginormous pedalboard the other day and feeling rather disgusted with myself. The amount of money and time I have spent on this stuff is ridiculous. And I'm too old to lug this thing around. Plus, I drag this huge thing to church only to use 5 of the pedals, and maybe 1-2 others on very rare occasion. (Now, my future/pending cover band will be a different conversation, but even then I don't want to have to lug this huge thing around).

After listening to countless demos online, and obsessing over it as only I can do, I decided to give the Stomp a shot. My main chain right now ends in a digital amp sim pedal anyway, so that's really the main thing that I need it for, and then it should also give me the flexibility of adding in some great drive tones on that rare occasion that I want/need that. Not to mention the billion other things that it can do. We shall see. My signal chain will still end in my Radial JDI. Down the road I might consider upgrading to a tube DI, but that is a conversation for another time.

Now, where do I go from here? I know there are some presets you can buy, which is probably where I'll start, because I don't have the time I'd like to sit and figure this all out for myself. I will probably also need one of those midi footswitches to bank up and down. I'm way too old, tall and fat to bend over and bank it up by hand during a set. There are a ton of options there. Any other thoughts?

mill be curious to see what you land on after trying out the HX Stomp!
 
The beauty of the HX Stomp (or any DSP gear) is that it's as good as you are at dialing it in. There is no lack of tone shaping.
I think the only thing I will miss is some of that difficult-to-define "heft" and "warmth" provided by analog gear as opposed to digital gear. But adding the HX Stomp to my board will not result in any loss of transformers or preamps or anything in my signal chain. Just the digital Atomic Bass Box and drives/mod/wah/octave pedals, etc. I'll still have a few Broughtons up front for boosting and tone shaping, and the transformer of the Radial JDI to add some heft. So I'm hoping all it will do is make my pedalboard significantly smaller and lighter and easier to carry around with no loss to sound quality. If my bass sounds half as good as Chad's in his comparison between the HX/JDI and the Ampeg PF-50T he did a while back, I'll be satisfied. I can always add a higher quality or tube DI down the road for more of that "heft" that usually only we bassists or studio engineers pick up on.
 
I think the only thing I will miss is some of that difficult-to-define "heft" and "warmth" provided by analog gear as opposed to digital gear.

The amp sim will give you that "tubey" harmonic type stuff. The heft and warmth is just EQ. Want more heft, add 40 to 80hz. Want more warmth...try 100 to 120hz. Want more "cut"...try 350 to 400hz.

Don't forget to try cutting frequencies in some places too. For example, the "Ultra Lo" on an Ampeg amp cuts 500hz dramatically.
 
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I've been using a Helix Floor live for a couple years now. I've got 2 large pedalboards full of pedals (tube preamps, tube DI, etc), but at the end of the day, the Helix just flat out works great.

Lately I've been using the new Sunn amp sim into the Heritage SVT cab sim for most of the evening and it sounds amazing in the mix.

I've been eagerly awaiting the new Berg pre also, and I'll probably buy one just because, but I'm skeptical as to whether it can kick my Helix into second place.
 
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I've been using a Helix Floor live for a couple years now. I've got 2 large pedalboards full of pedals (tube preamps, tube DI, etc), but at the end of the day, the Helix just flat out works great.

Lately I've been using the new Sunn amp sim into the Heritage SVT cab sim for most of the evening and it sounds amazing in the mix.

I've been eagerly awaiting the new Berg pre also, and I'll probably buy one just because, but I'm skeptical as to whether it can kick my Helix into second place.

Same here. I have a board with a tube preamp and I never use it anymore. If not for the nostalgia factor I'd sell it.
 
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I've been using a Helix Floor live for a couple years now. I've got 2 large pedalboards full of pedals (tube preamps, tube DI, etc), but at the end of the day, the Helix just flat out works great.

Lately I've been using the new Sunn amp sim into the Heritage SVT cab sim for most of the evening and it sounds amazing in the mix.

I've been eagerly awaiting the new Berg pre also, and I'll probably buy one just because, but I'm skeptical as to whether it can kick my Helix into second place.
That's encouraging to hear. The Helix is fairly similar to the HX, no?
 
Well, no one said anything at sound check. It's like the old Jesse Reeves quote about using effects or not and all that. He used a tuner and a DI. In the house, it sounds like a bass. Pretty much. Last weekend no one even knew if I used my drive or not. Or if I played down an octave or not.

Why do I worry about using an expensive, heavy, large tube DI or a 3 pound 6"x5" multi? It sounds like a bass.
 
Well, no one said anything at sound check. It's like the old Jesse Reeves quote about using effects or not and all that. He used a tuner and a DI. In the house, it sounds like a bass. Pretty much. Last weekend no one even knew if I used my drive or not. Or if I played down an octave or not.

Why do I worry about using an expensive, heavy, large tube DI or a 3 pound 6"x5" multi? It sounds like a bass.

Because you like the way you sound when playing through your REDDI. Chances are if you feel you sound better you will play with confidence which means you will sound better.
 
Well, no one said anything at sound check. It's like the old Jesse Reeves quote about using effects or not and all that. He used a tuner and a DI. In the house, it sounds like a bass. Pretty much. Last weekend no one even knew if I used my drive or not. Or if I played down an octave or not.

Why do I worry about using an expensive, heavy, large tube DI or a 3 pound 6"x5" multi? It sounds like a bass.

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I'll be the first one to admit...that the SVT emulation on the HX doesn't sound EXACTLY like a 98lb SVT head. But it's dang close. Close enough that in a mix, no one is going to notice unless they happen to be a bass playing gear snob...which is what....00002% of the population of the world. Don't buy and haul gear for the .00002%...take what you need for the 99.99998%.

I totally get what scuba is saying about liking how you sound. I feel the same way. I also feel the same way about buying a quality bass. I have some expensive basses...in fact, all are US made except my fretless (which I just bought to test the waters). I've played some Glarry basses and some SX basses and some other low cost basses...and in a mix...they sounded awesome. But they felt terrible to play. Sound is not a lot different. For example, I think SansAmps sound like garbage. I have tried several, and other than the FlyRig (which wasn't bad), I didn't like any of them. In fact, almost all solid state analog pedals I've tried have been either horrible....or barely passable in terms of tone. Even some tube preamps were just "Meh". But I never felt like I played better or worse through them. I will say, that since starting this very long thread years ago...I've come a long way. Both as a player and as a critic. I have spent lots of time listening to songs that I felt had great sounding bass. If you listen closely, the tone is not always good. Geddy Lee's tone is terrible in my opinion...but I love his playing. Jaco....yuck! That burpy thin tone sounds like a drunk elephant trumpeting. Way back at the beginning of this thread I posted some videos of some bass players I thought had great tone. Jimmy Johnson, bass player for James Taylor comes to mind. Tiran Porter of the Doobies (now John Cowan...who I also love). Whoever plays the bass on the track "Tin Man" by America....ooooh wee..that bass sounds fire! "Imaginary Lover" by Atlanta Rhythm Secton...Paul Goddard's tone is spot on! Deep, fat, warm and it sits right in the mix where it needs too.

But all of those bass tones have an advantage we don't have.....the studio. Outboard gear, a sound engineer tweaking and EQing it, good acoustics, expensive mic, etc. But when you drop your cab on stage...regardless of how good your amp and pedal board is....there are only a few spots in the room that will sound right....the rest will be varying levels of suck. Same with bass going through a PA. Fill a room with people, factor in the room acoustics, how far apart the speakers are, where the standing waves are forming, etc, etc, ect......you could have a rig sent down from heaven and it's only going to sound as good as the room, PA, and engineer allow it to sound. Then add in drums, guitars, keys, singers, and the din of the audience....and do you really believe anyone in that room is going to demand a refund for their ticket price because "the bass player is using an emulator...not a REAL tube amp". Nope.

That said....I dearly love my tube amp. I played through it today and it always puts a smile on my face. Part of that is because it reminds me of my youth. The smell of dust burning off hot tubes, the red glow, the warmth (as in heat). It's just a very nostalgic thing that I enjoy.
 
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The tube preamp/amp captures I've saved to my Quad Cortex sound virtually identical to the real thing. But I still like seeing and smelling the glowing tubes. :D

Yep...that smell is my childhood. I remember my parents having a big console stereo that was all tubes. It came thing a wireless external speaker that was all tube...it was called a "Portafier" and it was huge...but "portable". All the TVs were tube. I remember my dad had a big reel to reel player he'd play through the stereo.

Remember when you used to have to wait for stereos to "warm up". LOL! :)
 
Ok amigos....

Since I mentioned America's "Tin Man" earlier, I remembered doing a comparison between a bunch of preamps with that song some time ago....so I dug them up.

Here's the challenge....I'm going to post some clips of well know preamps...tube and analog...then I'm going to put up two "mystery" clips...one will be the Ampeg PF-50T tube amp and the other will be the HX Stomp running the SVT emulator. Which one is which? Does the tube DI sound as good as the real amp or the emulation?

You be the judge!

Arkham Oracle with RNDI

NuX Melvin Lee Davis

Nordstrand Starlifter

Mystery #1

Mystery #2