The Mutron Club : only quacks allowed...

[Funkinthetrunk]

Have you ever tried the original Agent 00Funk? Also, I notice you have a Wonderlove. Have you tried the Proton as well?

I have not had a chance to try out the orig 00Funk, but maybe Chris (@OhulahanBass) will chime in as he just got one. I owned a Proton, but it wasn't what I expected. It was a little too tame for me. The Wonderlove, I dig. I believe it's Spencer's best envelope filter pedal that he's created.

My favorite is the Source Audio BEF Pro. Quacky, slippery, wet and rubber bandy. The "automatic" threshold on their filters make things interesting...and fun.

 

[OhulahanBass]

The original 00funks envelope is not easy to dial in and does't have near the envelope posibilities as the Octavius Squeezer. Also, it lacks headroom.

What it does have is a great sounding clean gain + independent gain. Where it separates itself from all other envelope filter pedals is the fastest envelope with CV out I can find. I never tried the moog pedal but heard the envelope leaves something to be desired. With clean gain and CV out I can boost my bass to synth levels and run it through my synths like the Moog Minitaur with the CV out modulating the moog filter. This is awesome but would be even better with the extra sauce in the OS and MK2. It doesn't have the same syrupy slope as the OS in exponential envelope mode. While the Mutron & Enigma are the best quack pedals I've tried the OS has the best synth sauce I have found. The Source Audio gets that synth syrup too.

I plan on emailing Chunk to see if I can get more headroom safely with 18V supply, what the trims inside do and if he can suggest any swaps or mods to make the range of the pedal better suited for bass. I don't think he will get back to me. He never replied to my OS questions.

 

[FilterFunk]

I have not had a chance to try out the orig 00Funk, but maybe Chris (@OhulahanBass) will chime in as he just got one. I owned a Proton, but it wasn't what I expected. It was a little too tame for me. The Wonderlove, I dig. I believe it's Spencer's best envelope filter pedal that he's created.

My favorite is the Source Audio BEF Pro. Quacky, slippery, wet and rubber bandy. The "automatic" threshold on their filters make things interesting...and fun.

It's funny that you describe the SA filter sound as "rubber bandy." I've always described it as "synthetic/elastic," and I don't mean that in any kind of negative way. In fact, I consider it to be the pedal's strength; it's what makes it unique. I have the standard SA BEF. Setting #8 does classic Mu-Tron style envelope filter fairly well, but not nearly as well as many other pedals, IMO.

Oh, and thanks for the review of the original 00Funk, OhulahanBass!

 

[OhulahanBass]

It's funny that you describe the SA filter sound as "rubber bandy." I've always described it as "synthetic/elastic," and I don't mean that in any kind of negative way.

What's the difference between "rubber bandy" and "elastic"?

I love all the terms to describe filters, always the best.

 

[Funkinthetrunk]

It's funny that you describe the SA filter sound as "rubber bandy." I've always described it as "synthetic/elastic," and I don't mean that in any kind of negative way. In fact, I consider it to be the pedal's strength; it's what makes it unique.

I totally agree.

What's the difference between "rubber bandy" and "elastic"?

Something about the levels of gravitivity and polarity....
Have you tried the Zipper yet?

 

[Bo0tsy]

The original 00funks envelope is not easy to dial in and does't have near the envelope posibilities as the Octavius Squeezer. Also, it lacks headroom.

What it does have is a great sounding clean gain + independent gain. Where it separates itself from all other envelope filter pedals is the fastest envelope with CV out I can find. I never tried the moog pedal but heard the envelope leaves something to be desired. With clean gain and CV out I can boost my bass to synth levels and run it through my synths like the Moog Minitaur with the CV out modulating the moog filter. This is awesome but would be even better with the extra sauce in the OS and MK2. It doesn't have the same syrupy slope as the OS in exponential envelope mode. While the Mutron & Enigma are the best quack pedals I've tried the OS has the best synth sauce I have found. The Source Audio gets that synth syrup too.

I plan on emailing Chunk to see if I can get more headroom safely with 18V supply, what the trims inside do and if he can suggest any swaps or mods to make the range of the pedal better suited for bass. I don't think he will get back to me. He never replied to my OS questions.

I'm pretty sure Chunk are out of business. You can no longer register pedals or download firmware from the Chunk website. It's a real shame as I love the Chunk pedals, I've actually got all three on my board! The OS remains my favourite pedal, great gated fuzz, filter and endless synth possibilities (shame the interface is not quite as easy to use as it should be). Other than the Mu Tron 3x, I'm also a big fan of the Emma Discumbobulator, which is also very quacky and allows through nicely some of the natural bass tone through the filter. It's a very warm sounding filter. Like many others on this forum I'm a bit addicted to filters

 

[Bo0tsy]

Yeah, I got issues too...

That's a fantastic collection of filters you have there Funkinthetrunk. Is it you who owns the Stambaugh Space Bass?

 

[Funkinthetrunk]

Yes, I am.

 

[Bo0tsy]

Yes, I am.

That is quite simply one very amazing Space Bass

 

[Funkinthetrunk]

That is quite simply one very amazing Space Bass

Thank you. I was too late to the party to buy a Washburn like yours, which I still really want...so sexy.

The question to any who owns the orig Mutron III and TT3x. Which do you prefer? I prefer the TT3x.

 

[FilterFunk]

What's the difference between "rubber bandy" and "elastic"?

Actually, I meant to say that his description was similar to mine, just different wording.

 

[OhulahanBass]

The question to any who owns the orig Mutron III and TT3x. Which do you prefer? I prefer the TT3x.

I can't decide, I dig them both. One has the relic edge, the other has the size edge, both have great tone. I don't think TT3x offers anything extra. For Mutron tone + a bunch of extra possibilities it is the Enigma all the way.

Actually, I meant to say that his description was similar to mine, just different wording.

I'm in love with filter adjectives: Elastic, wet, acidic, drippy, rubber bandy, syrupy, thick, quacky, deep, so funky you can smell it...

 

[Mosfed]

The question to any who owns the orig Mutron III and TT3x. Which do you prefer? I prefer the TT3x.

It depends - for ease of use, no question the TT3x. No question. Smaller, more easily powered, works with my Fueltank Chameleon, etc.

For sound, I still have a soft spot for the original. It is a little noisier but has a twang and depth of twang that the new one doesn't quite quite get. Should be noted - we are talking about MINISCULE differences.

 

[FilterFunk]

I can't decide, I dig them both.



I'm in love with filter adjectives: Elastic, wet, acidic, drippy, rubber bandy, quacky, deep, so funky you can smell it...

One of my favorites is "bubbly." I love a good bubble-poppin' filter!

 

[Bo0tsy]

One of my favorites is "bubbly." I love a good bubble-poppin' filter!

I like "percolating," "squelchy", "gooey", "punchy" & obviously "quacky" if we are talking filter adjectives

 

[Bo0tsy]

It depends - for ease of use, no question the TT3x. No question. Smaller, more easily powered, works with my Fueltank Chameleon, etc.

For sound, I still have a soft spot for the original. It is a little less noiseless but has a twang and depth of twang that the new one doesn't quite quite get. Should be noted - we are talking about MINISCULE differences.

I've never owned an original Mu Tron, so can't compare old with new, but is it true that there can be subtle differences in sound from vintage pedal to vintage pedal depending on how they've been calibrated?

 

[OhulahanBass]

I've never owned an original Mu Tron, so can't compare old with new, but is it true that there can be subtle differences in sound from vintage pedal to vintage pedal depending on how they've been calibrated?

Once, I turned on my pedal board to funk around a my Mutron just didn't sound right. I ended up sending to Lsound for a fresher. Turns out one of the LDRs or something in the photocell wasn't operating correctly so he replaced one of the 3 parts in the photocell or the entire photocell (can't remember), and it was good as new.

I have been inside her several times and she still has many a low tolerance resistor and cheap disk capacitors that have never been replaced.

 

[Mosfed]

I've never owned an original Mu Tron, so can't compare old with new, but is it true that there can be subtle differences in sound from vintage pedal to vintage pedal depending on how they've been calibrated?

Once, I turned on my pedal board to funk around a my Mutron just didn't sound right. I ended up sending to Lsound for a fresher. Turns out one of the LDRs or something in the photocell wasn't operating correctly so he replaced one of the 3 parts in the photocell or the entire photocell (can't remember), and it was good as new.

I have been inside her several times and she still has many a low tolerance resistor and cheap disk capacitors that have never been replaced.

I totally miswrote my description when I typed it above - and I have no idea what I was thinking. I do have a very slight preference for the original unit, but it is actually because it's noisier, not noiseless as I had originally written. It's much less clean and clear than the 3x and more like recording with 2" tape if this makes any sense (I edited my original post)

Both of my original units have been serviced and it made a big difference. One left like a little quack box and came back a freaking lightsaber.

I actually just ordered the Jerry package thinking that I have a buddy who would appreciate the lower price on a Tru-Tron.

 

[OhulahanBass]

What work did you have done fir the light saber mod?

 

[Funkinthetrunk]

It's much less clean and clear than the 3x and more like recording with 2" tape if this makes any sense.

Yes, I totally get your description.

I've never owned an original Mu Tron, so can't compare old with new, but is it true that there can be subtle differences in sound from vintage pedal to vintage pedal depending on how they've been calibrated?

I'm sure this is true. CAE Sound sells 'rebuild' kits for vintage MuIII for $60. Kinda expensive for couple of caps, resistors and true bypass foot switch. But I guess they match the parts for you. When I replace the LDR on my vintage unit, it completely changed the sound for the better. Unfortunately, those orig 0805 LDR are getting harder to find.

Actually, I meant to say that his description was similar to mine, just different wording.

What about...Chewy. I don't think we use that description nearly enough.

I have been inside her several times and she still has many a low tolerance resistor and cheap disk capacitors that have never been replaced.

I think that may be some of the vibe....leave it alone! Like Bootsy said: "If it ain't broke, don't break it."