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The Official MTD USA Thread

With all this talk of new MTDs, I had to play my latest 535 a bit tonight. Man, I love Mike's basses! I was talking with Mike and Daniel about my latest 535 during the NAMM Show. I have mentioned this bass before, but at the risk of repeating myself, I'll give a little background on this bass. I spent more time working with Mike on the particular woods, etc. for this bass than any other custom build I have been involved in, and we changed the mix up several times over the course of literally 2-3 years before he finally built it. The results are just amazing, IME/IMHO.

We ended up with a makore body and an ebony top. The ebony top was a major decision, based in large part on the tone that an ebony top brings (the top wood does matter, at least on MTDs). It adds some depth and fullness, as well as balance to the midrange, while enhancing clarity. We actually started with the neck woods, because I had seen a bass Mike had made with a flamed ash neck, and I asked if he had any more of that wood. He said that he had enough for one more neck, so I asked him to hold it for me. After further discussion, we decided to add some stringers to the neck, and we used some "white wenge" that was left over from some wood that Pete Skjold had sent to Mike for a bass that Pete asked him to build. We rounded things off with a birdseye maple board. I wanted a clear bass, with a decent amount of harmonics, but I also wanted something that would sit well in a mix and have some heft and authority to it.

When I first received the bass, I was very happy, and felt like it delivered on all fronts. Fullness, balance, clarity, attack, harmonics, solidty... It was all there.

But guess what? It got better! I know that aging strings can change the tone of an instrument, but I've experienced that many times before, and I know what that sounds like. But something else was going on. This bass kept getting more and more organic and rich. It smoothed out a bit, but didn't lose any clarity. It filled out the low mids a bit more, but still sounded balanced. I mentioned this to Mike, and pondered if these changes were really happening, or if perhaps these changes were due to other factors. But Mike confirmed that some basses definitely do improve as they age, and makore is one of the woods that seems to do this (at least some of the time).

I relate all of this so that I can say: if you guys like your new MTD's fresh out of the box, then think about how cool it is that it can get even better with age!

Here's an obligatory pic of my ebony top 535:

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With all this talk of new MTDs, I had to play my latest 535 a bit tonight. Man, I love Mike's basses! I was talking with Mike and Daniel about my latest 535 during the NAMM Show. I have mentioned this bass before, but at the risk of repeating myself, I'll give a little background on this bass. I spent more time working with Mike on the particular woods, etc. for this bass than any other custom build I have been involved in, and we changed the mix up several times over the course of literally 2-3 years before he finally built it. The results are just amazing, IME/IMHO.

We ended up with a makore body and an ebony top. The ebony top was a major decision, based in large part on the tone that an ebony top brings (the top wood does matter, at least on MTDs). It adds some depth and fullness, as well as balance to the midrange, while enhancing clarity. We actually started with the neck woods, because I had seen a bass Mike had made with a flamed ash neck, and I asked if he had any more of that wood. He said that he had enough for one more neck, so I asked him to hold it for me. After further discussion, we decided to add some stringers to the neck, and we used some "white wenge" that was left over from some wood that Pete Skjold had sent to Mike for a bass that Pete asked him to build. We rounded things off with a birdseye maple board. I wanted a clear bass, with a decent amount of harmonics, but I also wanted something that would sit well in a mix and have some heft and authority to it.

When I first received the bass, I was very happy, and felt like it delivered on all fronts. Fullness, balance, clarity, attack, harmonics, solidty... It was all there.

But guess what? It got better! I know that aging strings can change the tone of an instrument, but I've experienced that many times before, and I know what that sounds like. But something else was going on. This bass kept getting more and more organic and rich. It smoothed out a bit, but didn't lose any clarity. It filled out the low mids a bit more, but still sounded balanced. I mentioned this to Mike, and pondered if these changes were really happening, or if perhaps these changes were due to other factors. But Mike confirmed that some basses definitely do improve as they age, and makore is one of the woods that seems to do this (at least some of the time).

I relate all of this so that I can say: if you guys like your new MTD's fresh out of the box, then think about how cool it is that it can get even better with age!

Here's an obligatory pic of my ebony top 535:

IMG_9657.jpg

That's an awesome story, and it was awesome meeting you at Bass Bash, even though you photo bombed me and Frederico Malaman. ;) I'm in discussion with Mike for a 6 and I'm considering doing a composite neck like yours. It's just too sexy. Can't wait for mine! I hope I like it.
 
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After further discussion, we decided to add some stringers to the neck, and we used some "white wenge" that was left over from some wood that Pete Skjold had sent to Mike for a bass that Pete asked him to build.



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Great story Tom! Do you know if Pete posted any photos of the bass Mike made for him? Also (I know you'd be the one to know) does Pete still make the custom wood knobs for Mike's basses?
 
I wish this was the start of a new thread just so I can see all the basses...old and new...!

That's definitely one of the things I miss about the old Talkbass forums. With the threads being endless now there's not a good reset point to find a bunch of pics of the actual basses. Makes it really tough to search for specific posts too.
 
That's definitely one of the things I miss about the old Talkbass forums. With the threads being endless now there's not a good reset point to find a bunch of pics of the actual basses. Makes it really tough to search for specific posts too.

Maybe we can do it every 20 or 25 pages...as a reference and a chance for everyone to add on new pics...?
 
Great story Tom! Do you know if Pete posted any photos of the bass Mike made for him? Also (I know you'd be the one to know) does Pete still make the custom wood knobs for Mike's basses?

I have played Pete's fretless MTD, and it's a definite work of art. However, I do not believe he has ever posted any pics.

But no, Pete no longer makes the knobs for Mike.
 
I have played Pete's fretless MTD, and it's a definite work of art. However, I do not believe he has ever posted any pics.

But no, Pete no longer makes the knobs for Mike.

Gotcha. Yeah I remember when you were one of the first to start getting the wood knobs made for MTD basses when Pete was doing them.
 
What did you ask Mike regarding the sound of your bass for him to give you this wood combo?

I'm after a strong round bottom, clear, articulate, and sweet treble, but most importantly, I wanted it to be a different tone animal than my AG5. I don't have a lot of basses...so each one needs to bring me something different to the tone table. My 634-24 has been a year coming, since first ordered. I had no problem with the delivery time, but a year in Bass "G.A.S.-neyland"...a lot happens, yeah? :) I initially ordered a 634 Maple Burl/Alder/Maple/Bubinga trying to own only one MTD...a less expensive AG6. But in the mean time, I bought the NAMM 534-24 Olive top/Ash/Maple/BEM titanium from BCC. I had it a week, and really liked it. Then I was talking to BCC, and I happen to mentioned that I've always wanted an AG (but required a 34" scale)...kind of my "dream" bass. (There is a Qsic vid that really sold me on the AG5 tone...although I do like AG's playing too) Well, Jody @BCC asked Mike if he'd do a 34" AG5 and he said yes...so I RAN that Olive top bass back to FedEx, and had BCC change a stock bass que slot to my AG5 order, and got it in about 3 months!

So I decided to still go forward with having two MTDs, but that changed my specs, as I didn't want two alder body MTDs. Mike recommended the Makore to me...like Tom said, it's a bass wood that's very dynamic, nice bottom end, and can possibly get even better with time! Mike also likes makore paired with Cottonwood burl. I WAS going to get an Ebony fingerboard, but changed due to the neck weight, and also, I had in the meantime, bought a Lull M5 fretless ebony, that I usually like to play with no mwah...fret-like tone. I didn't want two ebony board basses. But I remembered how much I liked that Olive top maple neck (w/titanium) and non-roasted BEM board.

So Mike and I spent some time discussing roasted vs non-roasted BEM. He said the roasted BEM puts the tone about 6 months to a year ahead of a titanium non-roasted BEM in the tone development process. He likened it to going from an initially bright treble to a sweet treble...takes the edge off the brightness scale. With the roasted, there's a better chance of a "sweet" treble immediately, but sometimes just having the titanium non-roasted BEM...you get lucky and reach a "sweet" treble fast. Apparently, non-roasted/no-titanium BEM can evolve there, too. So, maybe it's just about stacking the odds in your favor, if that's your desired treble tone. (hope I explained Mike's words accurately) I felt that the Olive top (with the non-roasted titanium BEM) had a very "sweet" treble...and remembered loving that tone. So, hopefully my 634 will have a "sweet" treble in short time and age nicely, like Tom is enjoying with his gorgeous looking bass! :)

I have to say...getting to discuss bass specs with Mike, is sure an enjoyable part of the MTD custom order process. I've found him to be such a nice gentleman, always willing to patiently explain things that I'm sure he's gone over with other customers a million times! Can't wait for the finished product!
 
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Mike said mine should be shipping sometime this week! These are the pics he gave me a while back just after sanding Prior to the finish going on. Mine is:

MTD 534-24
Quilted Maple Top
Northern Ash Body
Flamed Maple Neck w/ Titanium
Macassar Ebony Fret Board
Passive Tone and Push/Pull Mids

namuxtree...is that your bass just posted on the MTD website?
 
Just beautiful Vision! Can't wait to see your bass finished and its 21 frets:bassist: If I order a MTD one day I do know it will be 34 scale and 21 frets. The Birdseye board is going to look killer with the Red Narra top.

Thanks! Yeah - I definitely had to have 21 frets for my MTD. Need that extra room between the pickup and the board for comfort and to have different positions available for slapping. Also, just totally IMO, the 21 fret shape just looks "right" to me - maybe because when he first started making MTDs they were all 21 frets for the first few years, so that shape is ingrained in my head.
 
Thanks! Yeah - I definitely had to have 21 frets for my MTD. Need that extra room between the pickup and the board for comfort and to have different positions available for slapping. Also, just totally IMO, the 21 fret shape just looks "right" to me - maybe because when he first started making MTDs they were all 21 frets for the first few years, so that shape is ingrained in my head.
I hear you Vision I used to drool at the MTDs on Bass Central in the late 90,-early 2000s and most of them were 21 frets Like you I played Celinder, and now I play Fodera (a dream come true!) but I'm still gassing for a MTD I'm a hopeless addict!
 
Wow....it just never occurred to me that there was any significant difference between a 21 & a 24, besides the notes, of course...same with the 34 vs 35 scale...it never really ceases to amaze me when I see someone put up a beautiful basically new bass for sale because they didn't like the 34 scale or the 35...giving up a sweet bass over an inch of real estate is something I just don't get...and I in no way have anything more than "average sized" hands...maybe the transition trips me up a little from time to time, but I never perceived it as something that would greatly hinder my playing and musical exploration....YMMV..
 
Wow....it just never occurred to me that there was any significant difference between a 21 & a 24, besides the notes, of course...same with the 34 vs 35 scale...it never really ceases to amaze me when I see someone put up a beautiful basically new bass for sale because they didn't like the 34 scale or the 35...giving up a sweet bass over an inch of real estate is something I just don't get...and I in no way have anything more than "average sized" hands...maybe the transition trips me up a little from time to time, but I never perceived it as something that would greatly hinder my playing and musical exploration....YMMV..

It's not something that's big enough of a deal to me that I would sell a bass that I already had, or if I found the perfect one used. But that's really the point of ordering a new one custom - you get to pick whatever you want as far as options. For me on an MTD, given the choice between 21 and 24 frets I'm taking 21 every time. It's a couple inches of extra space between the board and the neck pickup which allows me to change my right hand position in many more ways to vary the tone I get. I have really big hands so that extra room is more comfortable for me.

I'm not one who cares about 34" vs 35" though. I literally can't tell the scale length going back and forth.
 
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It's not something that's big enough of a deal to me that I would sell a bass that I already had, or if I found the perfect one used. But that's really the point of ordering a new one custom - you get to pick whatever you want as far as options. For me on an MTD, given the choice between 21 and 24 frets I'm taking 21 every time. It's a couple inches of extra space between the board and the neck pickup which allows me to change my right hand position in many more ways to vary the tone I get. I have really big hands so that extra room is more comfortable for me.

I'm not one who cares about 34" vs 35" though. I literally can't tell the scale length going back and forth.

That makes total sense...when I bought new customs, I put a lot of thought into my options too....now I pretty much only buy used...waiting for something to come around that I can't say no to once in a blue moon is a lot better for my wallet....!
 
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