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The Short-Scale Six-String Club—for the original six-string basses!

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#701
Here's another question for Invalid Link Removed owners:

When its pickups are used in single-coil mode, is the centre pickup *RWRP in relation to the other two?

(For the benefit of newcomers to TalkBass, this means *Reverse Wound, Reverse Polarity ie the center pickup + the bridge p/u, or the neck p/u would form a hum-cancelling pair.)

Thank you.
 
#702
Here's another question for Hellcat VI owners:

When its pickups are used in single-coil mode, is the centre pickup *RWRP in relation to the other two?

(For the benefit of newcomers to TalkBass, this means *Reverse Wound, Reverse Polarity ie the center pickup + the bridge p/u, or the neck p/u would form a hum-cancelling pair.)

Thank you.
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I don't *think* so...I haven't noticed any change in noise level between the pickup settings in single coil mode. Though I have mine totally shielded so I don't really pick up much noise anyway...
 
#703
kslight said:
I have a Hellcat...and I am not sure if flats would work well with this kind of guitar... I guess it depends on how you intend to play. I think of it as a lead instrument, and in my band I play it instead of guitar... I think the guitar can get a little muddy without the help of flats if you plan on playing chords. I like flats only for a true bass purpose...and I never use the Hellcat as only a bass.
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For those of you who play chords on a VI without a strangle switch, do you use chord fingerings to avoid the low E and A?
 
#705
Showdown said:
Yes, I generally just use the G, B and e, with occasional use of the D. No E and A. But I use my VI mainly as a regular bass, with chords thrown in only occasionally.
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Do you (and others who play chords on a VI) end up playing a lot of inversions in first position (if you finger a chord like normal and just not strum the E and A) or do you move up and down the neck to keep the lowest note the root of the chord? Or something else?
 
#706
For those of you who play chords on a VI without a strangle switch, do you use chord fingerings to avoid the low E and A?
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No...I play full chords and power chords just as I would on a regular guitar. I don't intentionally avoid the E string, we just usually don't write that low (since I don't play it like a bass usually). I use the low E string more with arpeggios and single note applications. All other strings see pretty heavy use though.
 
#707
Joe Lindley said:
Do you (and others who play chords on a VI) end up playing a lot of inversions in first position (if you finger a chord like normal and just not strum the E and A) or do you move up and down the neck to keep the lowest note the root of the chord? Or something else?
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I move up and down the neck, basically playing barre chords without the E and A string, with the root on the D string. Sometimes I'll play power chords on the high strings with distortion.

This is the way I play a major chord:
 

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#711
kslight said:
So...just talked to Kurt @ Rondo Music again...says that V1.0 of the Agile VI is currently in production and to expect it on the site around November...
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If this instrument employs a TOM bridge and stop tail-piece (like that which is used on the Invalid Link Removed), hopefully there'll be be two sets of studs to anchor said tail-piece into its body:

- One to accommodate strings designed to fit the Fender VI.

- Another to accommodate the slightly shorter strings designed to fit the Jerry Jones Invalid Link Removed, and the Music Man Silhouette Bass Guitar.

Alternately, if it uses mini BASS tuners instead of #$%&$ guitar tuners... :eyebrow:

EDIT: Tuners similar in size to Invalid Link Removed?
 
#712
If it could take standard Fender VI strings why would you need to use Jerry Jones style strings? Just buy the D'Addario Fender VI set....same gauges...?

Either way...I haven't heard what the final specs are, but given that he took suggestions from VI players on here and probably off of other existing models, I can't imagine he's real far off from a killer product, at the very least on par with the competition.

Regardless...he said that after V1.0 was available he would begin taking user suggestions for V2.0 similar to what he did with the Agile 8 string guitars... I am sure I will buy it unless it isn't at all good or the price is unreasonable...but I think it will at least be worth his asking price even if its not "perfect." I could justify a second VI at the very least for a backup...though if it ended up being real nice maybe I'd just use the Hellcat as a second...
 
#715
I wonder where the Agile VI is gonna be listed on the site? Under the 6-string tab with the B to C's?

Jesus, I'm obsessed... I'm worried I won't be able to find it on the site the instant its available.
 
#716
wonder where the Agile VI is gonna be listed on the site? Under the 6-string tab with the B to C's?

Jesus, I'm obsessed... I'm worried I won't be able to find it on the site the instant its available.
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From what I understand from his email...is that it won't be on the site until November... If you want to know as soon as its available I would suggest that you sign up for the Rondo Music Newsletter to be informed...otherwise you know you'll hear about it here as well.

I'm sure there wont be a lefty version.
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You should email and ask? There's a left-handed 8-string guitar...I'm sure if you let him know that there are left-handed VI players he'll consider it... For the record...the Agile 8-string guitar was a similar "by request" instrument that a forum of 7-stringers had bugged Kurt about...and they got what they wanted. And initially there wasn't a lefty one...but some people emailed him and he made it happen...so I wouldn't rule it out.
 
#717
kslight said:
If it could take standard Fender VI strings why would you need to use Jerry Jones style strings? Just buy the D'Addario Fender VI set....same gauges...?

Either way...I haven't heard what the final specs are, but given that he took suggestions from VI players on here and probably off of other existing models, I can't imagine he's real far off from a killer product, at the very least on par with the competition.

Regardless...he said that after V1.0 was available he would begin taking user suggestions for V2.0 similar to what he did with the Agile 8 string guitars... I am sure I will buy it unless it isn't at all good or the price is unreasonable...but I think it will at least be worth his asking price even if its not "perfect." I could justify a second VI at the very least for a backup...though if it ended up being real nice maybe I'd just use the Hellcat as a second...
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My interest is in a new type of 'VI which can use any available string set at any price.

The Music Man Silhouette Bass Guitar strings in particular have attractive gauges: 20w-30w-42w-54w-74w-90w (6 String Bass Guitar Slinkys #2837 - E Tuning) which come the closest I've seen to 'light tops, heavy bottoms'.

According to a post I read somewhere on the 'Net a few months ago, this string set's E 6th string is a bit too short to fit a Hellcat VI and thus will definitely not fit a Fender VI.

In my view the new Agile VI should be designed to overcome any dependence upon proprietary strings by being able to use the widest selection of string sets, thereby diminishing one of the Bass VI's major turn-offs for many prospective players--finding good strings.

Now if only Rotosound would make 'light tops, heavy bottoms' RS 77 Monel Flatwounds for the various Bass VI instruments... :atoz:

EDIT: If the new Agile VI employed a reverse in-line 6 headstock, then one would be able to string its four bottom strings with [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] short-scale (or RS77M medium-scale, 'same string gauges: 40, 50, 75, 90), and MAYBE some flat-wound jazz guitar strings for the E 1st and the B.

Even if a balanced-sounding flat-wound string set couldn't be cobbled together, a reverse headstock (yeah I know.., I don't like the way they look either) would yield the advantages mentioned in post #690.
 
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