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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

Got a UA and still getting a feel for it live. Easy at home to get the sound I want but live I'm still messing with it to fine my place in the mix in different venues.

Got a Finally V2 on the way as well. Was curious as to how you guys that have them both are setting the knobs so they work well together? I'm mainly using a P bass.

I can’t help with your question regarding the combination of the UA and the Finally, but my suggestion for live tone out of the UA would be to not mess with the mids. Leave that knob all the way up.
 
Got a UA and still getting a feel for it live. Easy at home to get the sound I want but live I'm still messing with it to fine my place in the mix in different venues.

Got a Finally V2 on the way as well. Was curious as to how you guys that have them both are setting the knobs so they work well together? I'm mainly using a P bass.
I use an UA and a Finally V1 with a NOS Raytheon 12AX7 live for IEM use only. Probly won’t help but I’ve used a FRFR PA to dial in my tone. I do have a little extra going on because I use a SV-Pre, compressor, cab sim and a HPF. I also use a P bass in a Foo tribute band.

Here are my settings.
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I can’t help with your question regarding the combination of the UA and the Finally, but my suggestion for live tone out of the UA would be to not mess with the mids. Leave that knob all the way up.
Yeah agreed, having the mids up full and then maybe rolling back a small amount has been working for me, bass and treble adjustments as required, but pulling the mids out too much when playing live doesn't seem to work so well.
 
Got a UA and still getting a feel for it live. Easy at home to get the sound I want but live I'm still messing with it to fine my place in the mix in different venues.

Got a Finally V2 on the way as well. Was curious as to how you guys that have them both are setting the knobs so they work well together? I'm mainly using a P bass.
In my use once I have found the sweet spot with a preamp pedal I leave that alone and use another EQ to adjust for room differences. My solution when using an amp is to use the onboard controls to make adjustments of if I'm running direct to a FRFR powered speaker then I would reach for a pedal EQ or I often use the EQ in a dbx GoRack with my powered speaker.
 
Got a UA and still getting a feel for it live. Easy at home to get the sound I want but live I'm still messing with it to fine my place in the mix in different venues.

Got a Finally V2 on the way as well. Was curious as to how you guys that have them both are setting the knobs so they work well together? I'm mainly using a P bass.

Frankly it's all soooooo dependent on the particular bass, rig and player's tone goals that considerable experimentation is really the only meaningful answer IMHO. I have 2 P basses (1 w/ flats, 1 w/ rnds) ; they have different tone/outputs and require different settings not only for my S-Box pedals, but also for the few other pedals in my chain. The differences between the 2 P basses are as far apart as those between the P basses and my others (an MM/J and 2 other basses with soapbars).
 
Just watched the fabulous "Biggest Bass D.I. Shootout Ever" from Janek Gwizdala, I sent him a With Bass In Mind edition Finally v2 and audibly giggled when he said "I don’t think there’s really anything else that comes close to it on the market."

I've had people ask me in the past how it feels to get excluded from conversations about "high-end" gear like Noble and REDDI because of how inexpensive my stuff is, and why I don't focus on high-dollar items to get more clout. The simple reason is that I don't want to. Is my $250 tube D.I. the absolute best sounding thing in the universe? Maybe not. But I firmly believe that it is by far the best sounding thing in anything close to that price range.

When I first started playing guitar (I didn't start on bass), my parents didn't seem to take it seriously and it was considered a phase I would grow out of, so they didn't want to invest in it. I got a hand-me-down acoustic and eventually the cheapest electric and the cheapest amp. If I wanted something nicer, I had to get it myself. I was frustrated that no matter how much I practiced I never seemed to sound good. Would getting a $5000 guitar and a $2000 amp make me a better musician? Of course not. But it would have inspired me to work harder because I would have been able to hear the difference in sound. "Tone is in the fingers" is a great thing to say to people that already have at least mid-grade gear, but for a 12 year-old kid with hand-me-downs and a broken amplifier, it doesn't matter how good your fingers are if the gear isn't doing its job.

So when I design my products, I'm not thinking about how to maximize profits. I'm not using "mojo" components or NOS tubes. I'm using things that I can source reliably and build consistently and quickly. At my day job we call this "design for manufacturability". I value my time both in building and designing, as well as the time and experience it's taken to get me to this level, so I charge what I have to in order to make it worth my time, but I try to keep things priced reasonably because I want EVERYONE to be able to afford it. I believe in my designs and I will always take the same level of care that I believe every "boutique" builder does on every single unit I build, but my goal has always been to be "budget boutique". I don't want to undervalue the work of builders that make high-dollar items, they spend a lot of time on their builds and they make amazing products, but it doesn't have to be high-cost in order to be high-quality.

Anyway. There's my rant for the day. Check out Janek's shootout, it's a fun watch.



Received shipping info for my WBIM Finally v2 just the other night! Very excited to put this box to work!! Thanks!
 
Thanks for advice. And correct as stated, getting the right sound live IS dependent on so many things. I was mainly looking for a starting point to then adjust from.

For now I'm testing live by leaving the UA mid all the way up. Adjusting Treb and Bass to suit. Gain around 8-9 o'clock and Master at 11-12. Going to try this and make other adjustments with other eq as needed.

I like the idea of finding UA settings and leaving them alone. I used an old Demeter pre, single space Peavey pwr amp with a old SWR Goliath 4x10 for years. Rarely needed to change much more than volume from room to room. Got spoiled by the simplicity. Then got GAS and started dabbling with pedals and zillions of other amps. Size and ease to carry became more important than previous. Then IEMs and traveling some got important to consider. So on it goes.

Finally v2 should arrive next week. I'll be testing the UA and Finally over the next couple gigs and see what I can learn.

Just for reference - I mostly use a Quilter Bass Block, Barefaced Big Baby v2 with the UA. Kiesel passive P-bass 5. At least for in town gigs. Out of town it varies.

Again, thanks for help.
 
For now I'm testing live by leaving the UA mid all the way up. Adjusting Treb and Bass to suit. Gain around 8-9 o'clock and Master at 11-12. Going to try this and make other adjustments with other eq as needed.
Gain 9:00
Bass 12:00
Mids full CW
Treble 12:00
Master as needed

That's my go-to clean setting on the UA. My main bass has a UA as the onboard preamp but I've swapped it over to a 12AU7 so I run the gain control a little higher, usually around noon.
 
For those not familiar with the online Tone Stack calculator .....

The red line below is the frequency response for a typical TMB Fender tone stack with the bass at noon, mids maxed out and the treble at noon (as @Sushi Box FX described above).

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The black line is a good approximation of what you can get with the JC Emerald, which uses the same TMB circuit, but with a few changes in component values and a buffer. The amount if mid scoop is similar, but the Q is narrower with the JCE which give you a little more low mids. The JCE is also less lossy (if that's even the right term), so you don't lose as much gain from the EQ circuit.

The really interesting part of this is that in order to achieve the frequency response of the black line with the JCE, the controls are bass maxed out, mids at 2.5 and treble at 7.

Same general tone stacks, similar-ish frequency responses, but with the controls set completely different.
 
The mid-shy Fender tone stack doesn't work for me on bass. I have a Rumble 100 (which apparently has a non-adjustable Fender tone stack in the circuit that is not affected by the EQ section) and I always max out the Hi Mids. Tbh I keep the Mid knob maxed out on my Fender-type guitar too.

Am I correct in assuming that the Slampegg is the mid-heavy Sushi preamp I'm looking for? I'm happy to buy a Finally because I like the simple basic tone and touch of grit but since I don't really need a DI, maybe a premap with EQ would be better for me?
 
The mid-shy Fender tone stack doesn't work for me on bass. I have a Rumble 100 (which apparently has a non-adjustable Fender tone stack in the circuit that is not affected by the EQ section) and I always max out the Hi Mids. Tbh I keep the Mid knob maxed out on my Fender-type guitar too.

Am I correct in assuming that the Slampegg is the mid-heavy Sushi preamp I'm looking for? I'm happy to buy a Finally because I like the simple basic tone and touch of grit but since I don't really need a DI, maybe a premap with EQ would be better for me?
I'm not sure how much of a winner Slampegg is for mids, someone else may have to speak to that, but it's still a passive tonestack which makes mids tricky. I know you said you don't need a D.I., but currently Venus Z is the only thing I have capable of actually boosting mids.
 
I'm not sure how much of a winner Slampegg is for mids, someone else may have to speak to that, but it's still a passive tonestack which makes mids tricky. I know you said you don't need a D.I., but currently Venus Z is the only thing I have capable of actually boosting mids.

I always use my passive S-Boxes in series with an amp head that can boost/sculpt mids. If you're ampless then another pedal with active eq would do the trick, or the Venus Z per above.
 
The mid-shy Fender tone stack doesn't work for me on bass. I have a Rumble 100 (which apparently has a non-adjustable Fender tone stack in the circuit that is not affected by the EQ section) and I always max out the Hi Mids. Tbh I keep the Mid knob maxed out on my Fender-type guitar too.

Am I correct in assuming that the Slampegg is the mid-heavy Sushi preamp I'm looking for? I'm happy to buy a Finally because I like the simple basic tone and touch of grit but since I don't really need a DI, maybe a premap with EQ would be better for me?

If you like the idea of the Finally but don’t want the DI, a UA with the tone stack bypassed is the same.
 
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