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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society
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As awesome as a third nostril sounds, be careful because you know you will get the bad with the good. That part I shudder to think about.
I hope the PMLE is a clone of an old amp from the 50's or 60's, many of those early amps sounded crap with Bass because the speaker and/or cab was not up to the job.
I have been looking at building Rob Robinettes stereo amp but just one channel as a small SE bench amp for testing pedals, but I have realized the design is nearly the same as a Gibson GA-5 or a Harvard 6G10 amp so I have started to look for more similarities out there.
When I make one I will fit a DEEP switch if the cathode caps need to be larger for bass, coupling caps will be larger and any bright caps will have a BRIGHT switch for switching out, its just making a guitar amp suitable for bass by flicking a switch. (I call it BASStardizing the circuit for more low end)
I hope PMLE is something like the Gibson GA-5 with caps adjusted for Bass, its just one 12AX7 needed for the pre-amp
I have been looking at building Rob Robinettes stereo amp but just one channel as a small SE bench amp for testing pedals, but I have realized the design is nearly the same as a Gibson GA-5 or a Harvard 6G10 amp so I have started to look for more similarities out there.
When I make one I will fit a DEEP switch if the cathode caps need to be larger for bass, coupling caps will be larger and any bright caps will have a BRIGHT switch for switching out, its just making a guitar amp suitable for bass by flicking a switch. (I call it BASStardizing the circuit for more low end)
I hope PMLE is something like the Gibson GA-5 with caps adjusted for Bass, its just one 12AX7 needed for the pre-amp
I've said it before but it certainly bears repeating that @johnk_10 does the best custom builds, I wish I could afford more.
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Nathan is correct. they're JJ ECC8S's (12AX7's)
Not to interrupt the speculation but my V3 Finally came in today, paired with a UA it is perfection. The sweepable HPF is perfect for taming the bass of the UA and allows you to use the full range of the EQ that the pedal provides. It’s a great feeling Tube DI, and while I know everyone wants the Neptunium I can tell you this V3 Finally may very well be the real winner here.
bassslinger jeremias,
you are correct sir, all settings on minimum on my _single slice_ except 'output' (which is at 12:30) and 'blend' (1:30), diggin it much - you capito though I don't speak for everyone, correct? I think nathan came up w/a most bitchin box here, really do. I'm a big _space heater_ and _finally_ user too, all my recordings use either one or bof. he's making it possible for me to have a sushibox front end for all my gigs too ('pert-near already does), even overseas ones; truly most kind of him.
on bass, watt
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Both are great, I’ve been gigging the Neptunium exclusively since you released the first batch.. but also am aware it’s not available currently. Can’t go wrong with either and I’ll probably end up incorporating both into different rigs
Whenever Nathan talks about any new pedals I turn into one of Pavlov's dogs.
I only got to use the Finally V3 last night in a rehearsal setting; will be gigging with it this weekend. I did have a Finally V1 in the past with the Lightning Boy Audio Transformer and a 12ax7; but I gotta say V3 is a different beast; in a good way. My first impressions: the ability to apply a bit of gain to your signal is an incredibly nice touch. Being that it's a pretty low gain tube you can really crank it without it ever getting too out of hand. Considering this'll probably be last in most signal chains (mine included) running it a little past 9 o'clock really added a blanket of fullness and warmth to my overall tone, something I can't really say you can do with the Neptunium and something that the V1 with the 12ax7 didn't do quite as well. The Neptunium is super clean; the 2 bands of eq are really nice as a finishing eq; not unlike something you'd add to a mixbus. The Neptunium does have a high pass filter as well; but it's fixed; the Finally allows you to adjust the HPF to your liking and the fact that the mini toggle allows you to switch it off and on it's a quick easy way to compare your sound with and without the HPF engaged without losing your settings. While this may not seem like a big deal; using something like the ParaEQ the only real way to compare is to either turn the whole eq pedal off; or make adjustments to hear if your sound is improved by the filter.
The other new feature that Nathan has added to the V3 of the Finally is that the 1/4" output has it's own buffer. If you're doing some more complex routing, IE running a DI as well as running into the EFX return of an amp/power amp in a live situation you may find that the Finally is a better solution. The Neptunium (IMO) isn't optimized for running a setup like this as the 1/4" output and the DI output are sharing the tube output; and when/if both outputs are pushed there is a bit of signal loss. For some that might not be an issue; but for me It lead me to simply running into the front end of an amp instead; which does still work pretty great. I know Nathan has discussed doing another drop of the Neptunium; if he incorporated the output buffer and the variable HPF he'd have the best of both worlds and you could view Neptunium as a Super clean versatile DI and the Finally as a super colorful versatile DI. Which one is best is tough to say; if you're looking for a cleaner platform to build upon, Neptunium would be my vote and if you're looking for something that'll really react to gain being pushed I think the Finally V3 fits the bill. All great!
The upcoming drop of Neptunium will have the same output buffer on the 1/4" as the Finally v3, but unfortunately I wasn't able to get the variable HPF to fit in Neptunium, so it will still be the fixed HPF.
Signal path is Yamaha BB435 into Peterson mini tuner > FInally (DI out to Cranborne EC1) >DRY> Neptunium (DI Out Cranborne EC1) Settings as shown in pic, flat on both
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Between these two pedals, it would be a Finally for me. I borrowed a Nobelium from a buddy, which isn't *exactly* the same, but is similar enough to compare (I also have an Underground Accelerator, which the Finally is derived from), since the core of the circuits are effectively the same.
For what I want out of a preamp-style pedal, the Neptunium/Nobelium are just a bit too transparent. I like clean tone that is approaching the edge of breakup if I really start laying into the strings, but stays clean and thick when I play with more control. Plus, I also tend to have EQ earlier in the chain, and don't like stacking 2 or more always-on EQs onto one another, so the flat frequency, full character nature of the Finally is what would do it for me. I also seem to find that 5751 tubes hit the sweet spot in terms of gain factor in Sushi preamps; they still allow for actual breakup, but offer a much wider "on the edge" sweet spot than a 12AX7.
That all being said, many folks seem to prefer more crystalline clean tones than I do, so in that sense, the Neptunium probably makes a lot of sense.
For what I want out of a preamp-style pedal, the Neptunium/Nobelium are just a bit too transparent. I like clean tone that is approaching the edge of breakup if I really start laying into the strings, but stays clean and thick when I play with more control. Plus, I also tend to have EQ earlier in the chain, and don't like stacking 2 or more always-on EQs onto one another, so the flat frequency, full character nature of the Finally is what would do it for me. I also seem to find that 5751 tubes hit the sweet spot in terms of gain factor in Sushi preamps; they still allow for actual breakup, but offer a much wider "on the edge" sweet spot than a 12AX7.
That all being said, many folks seem to prefer more crystalline clean tones than I do, so in that sense, the Neptunium probably makes a lot of sense.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what does the output buffer on the 1/4” do for tone?
Preferred the Finally too. Expected the Neptunium (Noble) to sound better given all the furore behind it! Would deffo get a Finally over a Noble and not just for the price.
