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The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

#24,181
chiphaleonbass said:
You'd really need to to tell the differences, they're there though. I'd say the Finally to me has a little more of that tube compression and sparkle than the Neptunium. I've held on to the Neptunium fwiw and sent the Finally back.
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LowWay said:
Do you not like the tube compression and sparkle? What made you choose the neptunium? I have (and like) a neptunium, but not a finally. I look forward to listening to those recordings with good headphones later.
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This is exactly what baffles me about the Noble hype... it always seems like a lot of its enthusiasts want their DI to be tube-based, but to sound as linear and un-tube-like as possible.
Part of me wonders if the original magic of the Noble was actually just its HPF, and everyone mistook the clarity from the filter for the "magic" of the tube; and now that hype has gone so far down the rabbit hole most people don't even realize it anymore 🤔

Jack

P.S.: I honestly don't mean that to sound antagonistic, I just honestly don't "get" it. I played with a Noble back in like 2018 (I think?) and felt it was a very solid DI, but never understood the hype since it really doesn't do anything special... but the sparkle and compression from a Finally? That's special.
 
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JackFawkes said:
This is exactly what baffles me about the Noble hype... it always seems like a lot of its enthusiasts want their DI to be tube-based, but to sound as linear and un-tube-like as possible.
Part of me wonders if the original magic of the Noble was actually just its HPF, and everyone mistook the clarity from the filter for the "magic" of the tube; and now that hype has gone so far down the rabbit hole most people don't even realize it anymore 🤔

Jack

P.S.: I honestly don't mean that to sound antagonistic, I just honestly don't "get" it. I played with a Noble back in like 2018 (I think?) and felt it was a very solid DI, but never understood the hype since it really doesn't do anything special... but the sparkle and compression from a Finally? That's special.
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The two band eq is pretty nice as well and for a long time I was using that quite a bit to kind of sculpt my overall sound at the end of the chain, but now I use the Empress ParaEQ. I probably could get by with just about any Transformer passive DI Box at this point but my signal is set in most of the bands I play with and I don't want them to have to compensate for a difference with gain at the mixer. One less hassle for me at this point
 
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JackFawkes said:
This is exactly what baffles me about the Noble hype... it always seems like a lot of its enthusiasts want their DI to be tube-based, but to sound as linear and un-tube-like as possible.
Part of me wonders if the original magic of the Noble was actually just its HPF, and everyone mistook the clarity from the filter for the "magic" of the tube; and now that hype has gone so far down the rabbit hole most people don't even realize it anymore 🤔

Jack

P.S.: I honestly don't mean that to sound antagonistic, I just honestly don't "get" it. I played with a Noble back in like 2018 (I think?) and felt it was a very solid DI, but never understood the hype since it really doesn't do anything special... but the sparkle and compression from a Finally? That's special.
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I wonder too. I really liked the "3D" element the Neptunium imparted to my signal, or depth, insert whatever vernacular here.

It isn't a knock to the Noble/Neptunium either but I much prefer the CAPO for example, and find the deep switch adds a similar depth that I enjoyed from the Neptunium.

I definitely need to try adding a Finally V3 to the end of my chain though.
 
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JackFawkes said:
It's not always the number of tubes, it's how the circuit uses them ;)

At the end of the day, the MORE is a essentially a "boost" pedal that's "clean", yet adds a bit of tube "depth" and "roundness" to your signal.
Have you been needing or wanting a boost pedal anywhere in your signal chain?

If your Fender Bassman has those "Preamp Output" and "PWR Amp Input" jacks, that's essentially an "FX Loop", and a MORE works well at the end of an FX Loop if you like the sound of your power amp section being pushed.

Like @wolffire99 I'm curious... why use a Bassman-style pre amp pedal in front of an actual Bassman amp? I'm guessing you prefer the sound of the Bassrig to the sound of your Bassman's built-in pre-amp, but then the usual thing to do would be to go:
Guitar/Bass -> Bassrig -> PWR Amp Input

If you're not really using any other pedals/effects, I'd probably say that:
Guitar/Bass -> Bassrig -> MORE -> PWR Amp
Is probably the most sensible choice...

But if you have (or plan to use) more pedals in your signal chain, the Greenhouse could start to be useful; but if you're just using the Bassrig into a Bassman, the Greenhouse is kind of a "solution" without a "problem".

Jack
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There’s a few reasons why I combo that preamp pedal with my amp. The first is, I really like bassmans, especially the black panel. I’m also a huge fan of the way the tweed bassman sounds with guitar. I use this rig for both of those things. If I were to buy both of those amps they’d probably run me somewhere between 7-10 thousand total if not more. Also neither of those amps exceed 50 watts. Running this pedal through a solid state bassman gets me as close to those sounds for a fraction of the cost, gives me the power I need, all without the hassle of real tubes in the power amp section which I have no knowledge of. Plus this setup makes it very easy to replicate my sound when I don’t have access to my own amp.

I’ve tried bypassing my amps pre with the pedal but it distorts. It just sounds better running one through the other. I’ll definitely try swapping their order tho! My setup already gets me really damn close to the sound of a black panel bassman. I’m just wondering if you guys think the More or greenhouse can get me even closer
 
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Tbh the greenhouse in your setup while sounds exciting is a confusing signal path, imo.

Get the more or even drop the bass rig and get a UA. Maybe you don't actually need the tone stacks beyond onboard the amp as you are already using.
 
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mattsev said:
There's a few reasons why I combo that preamp pedal with my amp. The first is, I really like bassmans, especially the black panel. I'm also a huge fan of the way the tweed bassman sounds with guitar. I use this rig for both of those things. If I were to buy both of those amps they'd probably run me somewhere between 7-10 thousand total if not more. Also neither of those amps exceed 50 watts. Running this pedal through a solid state bassman gets me as close to those sounds for a fraction of the cost, gives me the power I need, all without the hassle of real tubes in the power amp section which I have no knowledge of. Plus this setup makes it very easy to replicate my sound when I don't have access to my own amp.

I've tried bypassing my amps pre with the pedal but it distorts. It just sounds better running one through the other. I'll definitely try swapping their order tho! My setup already gets me really damn close to the sound of a black panel bassman. I'm just wondering if you guys think the More or greenhouse can get me even closer
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That sounds reasonable to me!

Hmm... if the Bassrig distorts your Power section when you run it straight into the PWR Amp Input, then maybe it wouldn't be a great idea to try running a MORE straight into it either... 🤔
(Or maybe it would actually buffer a bit and send a slightly more attenuated signal than the Bassrig does?)
(Heck, maybe the Greenhouse could/would have that effect too...)

Unfortunately, you 'd need someone more knowledgeable about input/output impedances and signal levels to really know... ugh, I hate not being able to help/give good educated guesses/recommendations.
I wonder if @Sushi Box FX could offer any back of the napkin estimates on what would happen?
 
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JackFawkes said:
I feel like I never shut up about how perfect the Finally is with a 5751 in it 😅
And if you really want a wide berth of "clean Gain", I'm an avid fan of using a 12AY7 in it.
Unpopular opinion:
The fact that the current Finally featuring WBIM branding comes with a 12AU7 is "clean" overkill in my opinion; and I think it's silly that some Sushi Box fans obsess over the Noble/Neptunium when the Finally with a 12AU7 is every bit as "clean" and "tube-y" while being not only a more original pedal, but also a more versatile one if you put a 12AY7 or 5751 in it... but you can't stop people from gooning over the Bass Player's "Klon" :rolleyes:

Most (but not all) Sushi Box pedals come with the 12AX7 stock. Some exceptions include:
the Grand Slampegg (6SL7)
the MORE (12AU7 w/ 12AT7 buffer)
the WBIM Finally (12AU7)
and a few others, most of which are discontinued.

Jack
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This and the following comments reminded me I hadn't tried a 12AY7 in my UA yet. It showed up today and wow my tube rolling for it might be done. Perfect as a preamp with gain/volume both at noon, great as an od/distortion as it gets turned up or pushed. Previously preferred the 12AU7 when I used it as a preamp, but I didn't like the breakup as much as with a T or X (which I didn't like as much cleaner!). The Y bridged that gap for me.
 
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_Tay_ said:
Anyone in UK fancy doing a Sushi swap deal for a single slice compressor?? Great compressor but compressors are an effect i can take or leave personally. Always end up going through phases with them. Would be interested in trying something i haven't tried before (More, Space Heater)
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I'm in the UK, have both More and Space Heater and wouldn't consider swapping either as they both sound fantastic. They rarely come up second hand and the last SH i saw come up for sale i maned to talk the owner into keeping it whilst simultaneous wanting to buy it!

Unfortunately for us, the way this have gone recently, Sushi Box pedals have become much more expensive.

I do have a Glass Butterfly (which is in immaculate condition) which I would consider swapping out.
 
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Nico_1111 said:
New guy here with incoming Grand Slampegg and UA soon :). Does anybody here have these two on their board? Do they pair well?

I know the GS is clean, would running the UA in front of it with the EQ off as a
boost help it break up?
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Rather than boosting the UA in an attempt to break up the GS, you can always just get your breakup from the UA itself.
 
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GR7G5TER said:
I'm in the UK, have both More and Space Heater and wouldn't consider swapping either as they both sound fantastic. They rarely come up second hand and the last SH i saw come up for sale i maned to talk the owner into keeping it whilst simultaneous wanting to buy it!

Unfortunately for us, the way this have gone recently, Sushi Box pedals have become much more expensive.

I do have a Glass Butterfly (which is in immaculate condition) which I would consider swapping out.
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Deffo interested in this, will send pm!
 
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#24,194
this bad boy can fit so many toobs
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A funny thing happened tonight. I did some a/b testing with the NP>HX stomp>miso>aggey> berg Ip amp. Great tone full of fun and aux in iPhone. BUT THEN
took out my old pedals
Tuner >micro tron > TC tri- chorus>MXR reverb > NP >aggy> berg IP. I must say the tone was way sweet and smooth. Even tried the miso at the end. It added some sparkle, but a bit redundant for this app. With Stomp it was great, but the NP really sold me. I have a funny feeling I know what I will be doing. I do have an LR baggs session pedal for the board as it is ready for my acoustic at home. Thinking about a DCX after seeing Ivan’s video on it.
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