The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

[Hasty]

Is there any "tone", other than SS volume, in the level control on the Finally box? No interaction with the tube right?

The way I've got the trim pot turned down (barely on), here are clean and gritty settings that get me approx "unity" volume matches (using the "dry pass" and MB clip light as a meter of sorts):

Input gain setting on my MB LM250 remains constant for these two Finally setting:
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Clean:
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Gritty:
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As you can see I can only turn the level knob up to 12:00 before it will clip my head. But of course I have my head input game knob set at 12:00 as well, so I could reduce my heads' input gain.

It's really a matter of gain staging theory at this point -- which preamp has more noise -- which preamp sounds better -- the SS output of the Finally box or the preamp on my MB head?

Then the other issue, with my current low trim pot setting, is that the Finally DI output is weak (at the above "unity" gain/level settings photos provided) and needs a whopping +35db of preamp gain from my board to get it to meter at a healthy -12dbfs.

So the fundamental problem with the Finally DI pedal, IMO, is that the 1/4" and XLR output levels are in two separate universes and nobody is happy with either.

While I am not wise to the ways of the MarkBass world, all of my amp heads (and my Grace Felix) have the input gain set way lower than what you've got and I've never really had issues with clipping or unwanted distortion.

Here's how the Doubler is set. Electric bass is channel 1 and double bass is channel 2:

Here's the Felix from my last FOH gig. Channel 1 is double bass and channel 2 is electric bass.

Edited to add this:

What do you mean by SS? Do you mean Solid State?

 

[Sushi Box FX]

What do you mean by SS? Do you mean Solid State?

I was also curious on that point, as the only solid-state devices in Finally are in the power supply, there are no solid-state devices in the signal path.

 

[mobeme23]

[/QUOTE]So the fundamental problem with the Finally DI pedal, IMO, is that the 1/4" and XLR output levels are in two separate universes and nobody is happy with either.[/QUOTE]


there is no problem with my Finally.; it works exactly how i need it to, for both outputs.
Finally. is my favorite pedal/gear purchase of 2023 (so far).

 

[Rick Penrose]

So the fundamental problem with the Finally DI pedal, IMO, is that the 1/4" and XLR output levels are in two separate universes and nobody is happy with either.[/QUOTE]


Love both the Finally and the UA. QQ - would it be possible to connect the Finally to effects loop return to bypass the amps preamp? If so that would be interesting. Will have to give that a try!

 

[Sushi Box FX]

Love both the Finally and the UA. QQ - would it be possible to connect the Finally to effects loop return to bypass the amps preamp? If so that would be interesting. Will have to give that a try!

It is possible to do that, Finally is capable of driving a power amp. The previous poster wanted to avoid this as he still wants to be able to use the tone controls of the amp's preamp though.

 

[jbybj]

I have found my happy place with the Smoke Signal. First, the UA tone stack mod, and then today, putting a 12AT7 in the red channel position. Feeding a QSC CP-12 it’s delicious.

 

[BassSuckZone]

I just wanted to say thank you, to Sushi! I own the Smoke Signal, Dr. Watson, Vampire Slayer, More, and they are all great in their own different ways. To add to the collection, I just got the JC Emerald. I’ve always been intrigued about having some kind of Marshall sound to my bass tone. I have to say, the JC Emerald does not disappoint! I’m so glad the deep switch had been added to this pedal. It makes a huge difference with bass, and I can’t imagine not having the deep switch on. Overall, the tube break up character and saturation colour is much different, in a very good way than the UA, for example. The more the gain is turned up, it responds differently. It seems to add more of the lows into the distortion, causing more of a compressed or sag feel to the tone. The eq and the gain level are all very interactive. It is such a great rock sound! I love it! Playing toward the beginning of my pedal board, it sounds great by its self, but also sounds great with everything after it. Playing the Smoke Signal, with just the UA clean side, flat with a little gain, right after it is just some extra nice sauce on top. Just to experiment a little further, I just tried placing it in my Broughton FFX Loop. After correcting the phase, and adjusting the levels to blend the JC Emerald’s raunchy grind with my cleanish/driven bass signal, this has now become my favorite rock bass sound! The JC Emerald is great by its self, but blending it just gave me that sound with a little more attack and definition. It’s possibly like if Eddie Van Halen were a bass player, this might have been his tone. I don’t know, but it is a lovely pedal and if you have considered it, you should definitely go for it! Thanks again, Sushi!

 

[Sushi Box FX]

If anyone is thinking about going to the NAMM show in January, the Innovator Showcase looks like it's going to be a cool place to hang out. Specifically booth 4246 over there.

 

[bassbrad]

I just wanted to say thank you, to Sushi! I own the Smoke Signal, Dr. Watson, Vampire Slayer, More, and they are all great in their own different ways. To add to the collection, I just got the JC Emerald. I’ve always been intrigued about having some kind of Marshall sound to my bass tone. I have to say, the JC Emerald does not disappoint! I’m so glad the deep switch had been added to this pedal. It makes a huge difference with bass, and I can’t imagine not having the deep switch on. Overall, the tube break up character and saturation colour is much different, in a very good way than the UA, for example. The more the gain is turned up, it responds differently. It seems to add more of the lows into the distortion, causing more of a compressed or sag feel to the tone. The eq and the gain level are all very interactive. It is such a great rock sound! I love it! Playing toward the beginning of my pedal board, it sounds great by its self, but also sounds great with everything after it. Playing the Smoke Signal, with just the UA clean side, flat with a little gain, right after it is just some extra nice sauce on top. Just to experiment a little further, I just tried placing it in my Broughton FFX Loop. After correcting the phase, and adjusting the levels to blend the JC Emerald’s raunchy grind with my cleanish/driven bass signal, this has now become my favorite rock bass sound! The JC Emerald is great by its self, but blending it just gave me that sound with a little more attack and definition. It’s possibly like if Eddie Van Halen were a bass player, this might have been his tone. I don’t know, but it is a lovely pedal and if you have considered it, you should definitely go for it! Thanks again, Sushi!

I concur on the JC Emerald as the Deep really makes it work for bass.
I still need to tube roll my Smoke Signal for the Red channel. N already did the UA mod.

 

[Hasty]

So I just put an older 12AU7 in my Particle Accelerator. OMG it sounds so so so so so so nice. My wife was walking by while I was trying it out and said my bass sounded so smooth and sexy. I cannot disagree with her. I don't like using buzzwords to describe tone, but I would not hesitate to use the following words to describe this sound: Smooth, Smoky, Sultry.

If I was a blues guy, I'd probably just strip the enclosure screws out and hot glue the knobs in place because this is a perfect sound that shouldn't be changed.

If doesn't push my powered amp as well, so it would have to go through something else... but man what a great tone.

 

[DanTheMan2112]

Anyone out there use the MORE by itself as a preamp/tone enhancer? The simplicity really appeals to me, but I haven't found any sound samples or videos of it being used this way.
Thanks!

 

[GR7G5TER]

I'm currently just using a More into a Baby Sumo as I'm still in the process of getting all my kit set up.

I have to say that I could almost get away with gigging this rig as is and the More makes such a difference to the quality of the tone.

Whilst it is subtle in use, you notice it when you switch it off!

 

[bassbrad]

So I just put an older 12AU7 in my Particle Accelerator. OMG it sounds so so so so so so nice. My wife was walking by while I was trying it out and said my bass sounded so smooth and sexy. I cannot disagree with her. I don't like using buzzwords to describe tone, but I would not hesitate to use the following words to describe this sound: Smooth, Smoky, Sultry.

If I was a blues guy, I'd probably just strip the enclosure screws out and hot glue the knobs in place because this is a perfect sound that shouldn't be changed.

If doesn't push my powered amp as well, so it would have to go through something else... but man what a great tone.

Sounds like you need a MORE now!

 

[Hasty]

Sounds like you need a MORE now!

I can't tell you how many times I've added a MORE to my cart, removed it, added it, removed it then just mulled over it.

I know I'd love it... I'm just afraid that the day I order it he'll announce the furthermore, or decide to add a DI to the More, or something cool that would make me regret my purchase.

@Sushi Box FX if you could just stop being an innovator for about a year that'd be great. KTHNXBYE.

 

[DingwallDingus]

My Elementary is sitting in the box at home while I work and have rehearsal tonight. Now you guys are making me want to try a MORE as well, blast.

 

[broncobenshea]

Anyone out there use the MORE by itself as a preamp/tone enhancer? The simplicity really appeals to me, but I haven't found any sound samples or videos of it being used this way.
Thanks!

P /flats > More > empress > quilter bb802 and it's very buttery. It can be noisy when maxed out (I don't think it's made to be maxed out) but as another poster said you notice when it's off because it creates the tube warmth a bass player expects when it's on.

 

[BN5HardCaseGuy]

Anyone out there use the MORE by itself as a preamp/tone enhancer? The simplicity really appeals to me, but I haven't found any sound samples or videos of it being used this way.
Thanks!

I am only using the MORE in my signal chain. I tried the MORE with my Broughton HPF/LPF and with the Broughton BBA, but in the end the best combination was simply just the MORE by itself.

My P-Bass w/ flats into the MORE (at unity) into my Vanderkley Spartan/MNT 110 is just perfect.

I am at the point tonally that I need to forget that these forums exist or that companies produce products. I thought after practice this morning that I really need to just practice and forget about getting anymore gear until it ceases to function. I have been at this point many times, but always go about chasing the next best thing. Seriously, the MORE does it for me. I love the simplicity too, it just does all I want tonally.

The MORE pedal is joy.

 

[MTN.bass72]

I'll chime in on the whole MORE thing... very recently I was hit hard financially. I'm in the process of, unfortunately having to sell some of my gear...

Out of all my Sushi pedals, the two I kept were the MORE, and Finally... had to sell my Fearless F112, so I'm running...
Kory Pitchblack... Cali 76cb... MORE...Finally... into a 2 channel Mackie mixer with ears...

Lemme tell you, I can't imagine how this combo will sound through a cab, or live, but in my ears, it's just stellar.

 

[Hasty]

I'll chime in on the whole MORE thing... very recently I was hit hard financially. I'm in the process of, unfortunately having to sell some of my gear...

Out of all my Sushi pedals, the two I kept were the MORE, and Finally... had to sell my Fearless F112, so I'm running...
Kory Pitchblack... Cali 76cb... MORE...Finally... into a 2 channel Mackie mixer with ears...

Lemme tell you, I can't imagine how this combo will sound through a cab, or live, but in my ears, it's just stellar.

I can tell you that my passive fretless sounds pretty good with the 12AU7 PA... but it is definitely elevated to something special when I add the Space Heater right behind that.

The fretted bass sounds fantastic with anything stamped SushiBoxFX.

Also, having that cab coloration makes a huge difference. Really kicks up the aural celebration.

 

[Mr. Business]

I'll chime in on the whole MORE thing... very recently I was hit hard financially. I'm in the process of, unfortunately having to sell some of my gear...

Out of all my Sushi pedals, the two I kept were the MORE, and Finally... had to sell my Fearless F112, so I'm running...
Kory Pitchblack... Cali 76cb... MORE...Finally... into a 2 channel Mackie mixer with ears...

Lemme tell you, I can't imagine how this combo will sound through a cab, or live, but in my ears, it's just stellar.

That’s very similar to how I use my More, only I go out to a Radial di or a Genzler or Genz Benz head.