The Sushi Box FX Secret Society

[Sushi Box FX]

I've noted this "3D" effect with a couple different setups, and the MORE definitely has this a little bit. What are the electronics/physics behind this? Does it have to do with how the circuit treats the phase, etc? Why does a Noble/Nobelium/MORE do this, but not a B15 (that I've heard)?

I don't have an answer to that. At a circuit level Noble actually has more in common with a B15 preamp than with More. Noble and B15 both use a pair of inverting gainstages so your output is in phase with your input, whereas More uses parallel inverting gainstages and parallel non-inverting output buffer, so your output is out of phase with your input. So I don't think it's a phase thing. I think it has more to do with frequency response and interstage impedance coupling, but it could also be more of a "feel" thing than a "sound" thing, which makes it hard to explain.

 

[Diddywah]

Looks like it's going to be a busy weekend.

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Oh yeah! Hope mine is in the picture

 

[Sushi Box FX]

Those cupcake knobs look really good on the Nobelium. Not something I would have ever considered before seeing this pic.

Thanks I bought I think 6 sets of different knobs to "audition" and I liked the look of these the best.

 

[warptheory]

Pretty happy with the Bass Dude. Somewhat similar to my UA but different. Also get some nice low gain by pushing it with the DCX.

 

[CoreyI35]

But it's... um... crooked.

 

[Nhbowhunter]

@warptheory
How does the headroom compare, BD to UA? With the eq on with the UA. I know the UA is an animal with the EQ off

 

[warptheory]

@warptheory
How does the headroom compare, BD to UA? With the eq on with the UA. I know the UA is an animal with the EQ off

I don't know if I can answer that. I did switch to an AU7 in the BassDude for v1 and an AT7 in the UA. I prefer a lower gain and the AX7 just breaks up too early for me.

Headroom doesn’t seem to be an issue though, and for the time I had AX7’s in them they seemed similar. Both can also get loud, much louder than I need, but easy to dial back to unity.

 

[warptheory]

But it's... um... crooked.

Lol, yes, need to put some dual lock on it.

 

[Nhbowhunter]

@warptheory
Sorry had the question in my head but worded it wrong. Not headroom but breakup. If you're looking for a OD type of tone. with the tubes you have though it must be very smooth.

 

[warptheory]

@warptheory
Sorry had the question in my head but worded it wrong. Not headroom but breakup. If you're looking for a OD type of tone. with the tubes you have though it must be very smooth.

They both break up about the same, I just prefer lower gain. Even with the lower tubes there is still plenty to get gnarly.

 

[vokain]

Hey my More seems to always be drawing from my power supply even though it’s switched off. Is this normal? It’s so hot even when off!

 

[p12bassnut]

The foot switch is only an effect on/off not an actual Unit on/off
When it is plugged in it is drawing power.
At least that's my understanding.

 

[Sushi Box FX]

Hey my More seems to always be drawing from my power supply even though it’s switched off. Is this normal? It’s so hot even when off!

The foot switch is only an effect on/off not an actual Unit on/off
When it is plugged in it is drawing power.
At least that's my understanding.

That's correct. The footswitch on a pedal (not just Sushi Box pedals) is a bypass switch, not a power switch. If it's plugged in it will be powered on. This is the case for solid state pedals and tube pedals alike, nobody designs the footswitch to be a power switch.

 

[jmmyoh]

I just got an illithid fuzz built by RCO (dunwich chtulu 3 knob clone) and my more feeding it sounds so good. More is such a special pedal.

 

[OldShark]

That's correct. The footswitch on a pedal (not just Sushi Box pedals) is a bypass switch, not a power switch. If it's plugged in it will be powered on. This is the case for solid state pedals and tube pedals alike, nobody designs the footswitch to be a power switch.

Additionally it would be really unfortunate particularly for tube pedals if they were only powered on when the switch were engaged, as they typically need several seconds to warm up - so they would not be immediately effective... (I guess the same would hold for most digital solid state pedals in a similar sense, as they usually will need some time to load settings and the like...)

 

[Parzival]

Sound guy at my show today I had never seen a Finally before.
He was raving about it after the show!

 

[Tassieviking]

Additionally it would be really unfortunate particularly for tube pedals if they were only powered on when the switch were engaged, as they typically need several seconds to warm up

My first car had a tube radio in it, it would take about 5 minutes before any sound came out of the speaker.
I got strange looks from passengers as they always wondered how I had turned the radio on.
I would guess the tubes were 20 years old since I don't think anyone had ever changed them.
I wish I had that 1957 VW Beetle still, 6 volt headlights and all.

 

[PineappleOwl]

Is there a sound demo of More anywhere? SO close to pulling the trigger, but not having heard it has me second guessing whether I should go for The Detective (or just Elementary) because I do enjoy the sound of those dialed clean (which is my primary concern).

More seems like something I would love but its hard to pass up the idea of getting a few different tone options with The Detective. There is the plus that The Detective is in stock at the moment as well.

 

[Thegrobe]

My first car had a tube radio in it, it would take about 5 minutes before any sound came out of the speaker.
I got strange looks from passengers as they always wondered how I had turned the radio on.
I would guess the tubes were 20 years old since I don't think anyone had ever changed them.
I wish I had that 1957 VW Beetle still, 6 volt headlights and all.

Yup. Mine was a 62 Plymouth. Around 01-03 it was my daily driver. The radio took about a minute to come on with the 40 year old guts. I still have that car but original radio is now gone, long deleted in a refit.

But anyway, yeah Sushi Box thread....oooh the More is a special pedal. I've been using it pushing an la-1a. Pretty good

 

[LSM07]

Is there a sound demo of More anywhere? SO close to pulling the trigger, but not having heard it has me second guessing whether I should go for The Detective (or just Elementary) because I do enjoy the sound of those dialed clean (which is my primary concern).

More seems like something I would love but its hard to pass up the idea of getting a few different tone options with The Detective. There is the plus that The Detective is in stock at the moment as well.

The MORE and The Detective are totally different. If you want a 2-channel preamp, one clean and one dirty channel, then you want The Detective. The MORE is just, what I would call, a super-saturator - it adds lots of tube juice to your sound. The MORE itself isn't a preamp; in my use cases I have found it most useful in the FX loop of a solid state amp, as a boost into another pedal, or as a boost post-preamp. If you just want a boost, I would suggest either the MORE or the Finally (or Space Heater if you want to build one yourself or can find a used one). If you want a full preamp, then go Detective.

You can also just get the Elementary and decide which way you want to go from there, too. I know I'm not being super helpful here, but I would just point out that the MORE isn't a preamp pedal, it's just a tube saturator/boost.