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the TRACE ELLIOT thread

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Wow, can´t belive that I have missed this thread for so long.

I bought my Trace in january 2003. Before that I owned a Yorkville 400b, that one pales in comparism with the Trace.

Here's my setup:
Amp: Trace Elliot RAH350SMX, 350W
Cabinets:
Nr.1 Trace Elliot 1048H, 4x10" 8ohm
Nr.2 Trace Elliot 1518, 1x15" 8ohm

Here´s a piccie:

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To end this: Me likey Tracey!
 
I came across a small TE 1x15 cab today. I couldn't ID it from the back panel as the ink was gone. :rolleyes:

The cab was very narrow, but taller than its width to accomdate the two ports at the bottom. It was covered in the green, fuzzy "carpet" stuff.

Anybody know anything about something like this? Model number, sound impressions, etc.? :confused:
 
Dave M said:
I came across a small TE 1x15 cab today. I couldn't ID it from the back panel as the ink was gone. :rolleyes:

The cab was very narrow, but taller than its width to accomdate the two ports at the bottom. It was covered in the green, fuzzy "carpet" stuff.

Anybody know anything about something like this? Model number, sound impressions, etc.? :confused:
The model # is 1153 and if I recall correctly it is rated at 200 watts at 8 ohms. Unfortunately, I have no experience with them. Sorry.
 
Anyone played the new Trace gear yet, I know a few pages ago someone said that they would be doing soon and never posted anything since. I want to know since in theory these could be some of the best SS amps ever, 12 band with 500w stereo and some nice looking cabs. Oh and they look awesome.
 
I have been playing a TE 2103 (2x10" cab with HF horn)combined with a TE 1518 (1x15" cab) for over 5 years now.
I change the amps/heads according to what style I´m playing (I have 2 bands and also into alot of session work). Either a
Laney 350, a Dynacord 411 (450 Watt German made bass monster) or a Behringer 3000 (350 Watt).
I love the TE cabs, and they are the best I have ever played with (beside maybe my Earth Sound Research Cab 2x 15" EV speakers from 1972 :p ).
The TE AMPS (strangely enough) never empressed me all too much. I allways felt they sounded a bit meak, alot of hocus pocus but the Bass Bottom was missing.
At any rate an very reliable, solid Bass Cab & Amp co.
Even still have the 2 freebee baseball caps I got along with the cabinett purchase :ninja:
 
i have two trace 4x10s one with carpet and one without, is there any chance of changing the one with out carpet to having carpet.if so where can i get some of the dark green carpet?its not a major issue just woundering cheers iv been with trace for about 3 years
 
e-kill said:
Anybody got a good tip on settings for the 7-band EQ on the trace elliot preamps. I play Melodic Metal with a Spector bass with active pickups.
I play the same style music in a band right now but I use passive basses, so I don't know if this will help. I like alot of low/mids for this style so my eq looks something like a frown with with a little more on the low end. I set the eq balance towards the low at 10:00. But with a different bass like my G&L its almost the opposite.
 
I have an AH-250 7band, currently running its max- 2 8ohm cabs. I'm building a new mega-rig...and am trying to figure out my options. I just bought a Bag end s15-d (8ohms). I want to pick up another one of those. Plus a Q10bx-d (8ohm, 800 watts).

So I was thinking about picking up a power amp to run w/ my head as the pre. Would this work for this rig? Is that the best option?

Or getting a V-type pre and some sort of power amp...any thoughts?
 
Hmmm..
Anybody here can tell me exactly what year Trace Elliot was bought by Gibson?

i have most probaly just bought an GP12SMX 4x10 Combo, and wondered if it was a Pre or an after... im gonna get it anyway, i need an amp, but i just wondered :p
 
TE was bought by Gibson in 99 (i think) - could be as early as 97 tho! :hmm: I thought the date was somewhere in this thread...

Now, my problem.
I need help. ;)
My Trace still isn't fixed after having numerous checks by the techs. They keep finding dry joints they had missed.
They thought it was fixed, when I tried it out, infront of the tech it made a slight popping sound and started too feedback and some smoke came out - they fixed this and it turned out to be a really bad joint in the pre-gain stage.

I'm beginning to think.. screw having to wait a week just have a dry joint repaired - i can do this!
basically my problem is this: i get a really low output, but AMAZINGGGGGGGGGG tone.
it's barely loud enough to practise, and definatly not loud enough for a gig.

i'm going to have a look inside and see if I can spot more dry joints. however, my question is this: is there something else the techs have missed? is my power dead dead and just going to keep my output low?
i can have this "repaired" for free atm, so is there something i could ask the techs to look at specifically?
Luckily I won't be gigging till Sept... but I don't feel like waiting..

another thing ive noticed is that when the amp is muted, its louder that it used to be. is there a possible grounding problem when the amp is on and thats where im loosing volume?
 
EddieTheKiller said:
Hmmm..
Anybody here can tell me exactly what year Trace Elliot was bought by Gibson?

Some of this may not be 100% accurate. Any corrections are welcome...


Late 1970s First Trace Elliot amps produced for the Bass Centre in Essex, UK

1980s to 1992 Golden age of Trace Elliot (for want of a better term)

c 1990 Series VI amps introduced

1992 Takeover by Kaman

1997 Mark Gooday resigns as Managing Director and forms Ashdown Engineering

Apr 1997 Kaman decides to stop manufacturing in the UK and puts Trace Elliot up for sale.

Kaman said:
On Tuesday April 15, Kaman Corporation concluded that it is no longer in
the Corporation’s interest to continue the manufacturing operations of
Trace Elliot Amplifiers in the UK. It is expected that the phasedown of
that facility will occur over the next several months. In anticipation
of this move, adequate inventories of key products have been moved to
the U.S.A. to ensure a reasonably steady supply of product to our loyal
dealer base.

Kaman Music has been and continues to be in discussions with several
parties interested in acquiring the Trace Elliot assets and brand name.
While there are no pending offers at this time, we are all confident
that a new owner for Trace Elliot will emerge, who will carry this
world-renowned name in bass and acoustic amplifiers into the next
century.

We hope that you, as a supporter of Trace Elliot product, continue to
sell and promote the product during this transition period. Please
contact your Kaman Music District Sales Manager for details on product
availability and pricing.

Mark Gooday said:
It is quite complex. I sold Trace Elliot, with my partner Fred, to an American company. I had a five-year contract with them and that was coming to an end in `97. The Americans and I did not see eye to eye in the slightest on the direction of the company, we were at loggerheads as to what we were both doing. They were closing down a lot of their music sections and intending to sell Trace Elliot and I was in the midst of trying to buy it back. This didn't work out particularly well and it got a little bit politically difficult between us to the point where they thought it was better that I went and I thought it was better that I did.

Then I wasn't allowed to do anything in the music industry for six months, which gave me time to decide what I wanted to do. Trace made some fantastic achievements over the years, ones I'm very proud of and I miss the company today.

So towards the end of 1997 the first Ashdown products were shipped to the Japanese Trade Show and were reasonably successful straight away. Ashdown's first amp was the 500-watt Klystron Bass Magnifier, a curious name, I thought.

The reason it was called that was because of the Flash Gordon movie. There's a part in it where they say, "Turn up the Klystron Magnifier" and they're turning up this huge machine, which is exactly the image I wanted.

Kaman is seeking to streamline its inventory, less than one fifth of which are music companies. Set to be dropped are Trace Elliot, which suffers in the US from the strength of the UK pound and Legend drums.

3rd Jun 1997 Trace Elliot UK refutes the news of its demise, stating they are in negotiations with Kaman to buy back company

Trace Elliot said:
Over the past couple of months there has been plenty of gossip on both
the net and the street regarding Trace Elliot and our current situation.

We would like to set the record straight as some of the gossip is not
only innacurate but also damaging to us and our loyal customers around
the world.

Trace Elliot is up for sale, the price most certainly is not $1 as per a
recent posting. Currently the three directors of Trace Elliot in the UK
are in negotiations to buy the company back from Kaman. We are hoping
that all will be resolved within the next 4 weeks or so.

Since Kaman Music Corp's purchase of Trace Elliot in 1992, we have
consistently increased our business every year. 1996 was a record year
and 1997 is also looking good. Obviously with the inevitable change
over of distributon that will occur in the USA, sales from TE to USA are
likely to down on last year. However, we are confident that this will
not be a problem when the company is sold and a new distributor has been
appointed in the USA.



27th Jun 1997 Trace Elliot becomes a stand alone company when the directors of Trace Elliot UK finalise a deal to buy the company from Kaman. Trace Elliot continue to manufacture in the UK

Jan 1998 Introduction of 7-band SMC series and V-Type

Oct 1998 Takeover by Gibson

Gibson said:
Gibson acquires Trace-Elliot, U.K.amplifier, bass, and string maker

Gibson Musical Instruments, under the direction of Chairman and CEO Henry Juszkiewicz, has added legendary amplifier company Trace Elliott to it's family of music instrument manufacturing companies.
The acquisition was completed on October 2nd. Gibson is now the sole-owner of the 100-employee U.K.-based company. Trace Elliott is known as a world leader in amplifier and electronics technology. Some of the top musicians in the world make Trace Elliot their amplifier of choice including Dave Matthews, John Entwistle, Tony Levin, and Don Henley.

"We're very excited about this acquisition because it's a natural compliment to our worldwide guitar operations, and Trace Elliot, being the leading name in bass and acoustic amps, provides an excellent platform for Gibson to move back into the amplifier business," says Henry Juszkiewicz.

The Trace Elliott acquisition, along with the recent purchase of Opcode Software, marks a series of recent moves by Gibson, including a company-strengthening reorganization of their Nashville-based operations, to insure that the 104-year-old legendary company will remain the industry leader well into the new millenium.

Mar 1999 Introduction of 12-band series (GP12X preamp)

July 2000 General redesign of Trace amps: Introduction of new 7-band series (promising real world prices); Introduction of new 12-band series; Introduction of V8 Amp; redesign of the Commando combos

2000 to 2001 Manufacture of some amps moved to asia.

Dec 2001 Gibson stops production of Trace Elliot amps, rebadging some as Gibson amps
 
DEVILMAN said:
Whew! What a LOT of "juggling" went on! It's amazing they actually built anything!...

What's really amazing is that the reliability issues* that cut into profits (through warranty returns), leading to Kaman wanting to ditch TE, somehow lead to the Gibson-era Trace amps getting a bad reputation.



*The first run of Series 6 Mosfet bass amps had a problem with a connector that wasn't up to the job.
The same problem occurred with Trace Acoustic amps of that period.
Hitachi withdrew its Mosfets (affecting the entire audio industry) and these were replaced by Magnatec Mosfets, which proved enormously variable in quality, leading to Magnatec being sued for damage to reputation of a number of companies.
The first run of Trident, Bonneville and Speed Twin guitar valve amps were prone to spontaneous combustion due to badly laid out pcbs.
The output transformers in a batch of the vellocette amps were prone to short-circuit.
 
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