This is what happens when you seek fame before talent...

[Plectrum72]

Don't you be making fun of the poor kid. We need to make sure he gets his participation trophy.

Also, this is the internet. You can't have an opinion unless it agrees with mine...um, as long as
mine agrees with the majority; unless, I'm a dissenting minority...or something like that.

Lastly, when I've f'ed up that badly and obviously in music or other aspects of life, I expected to be and was laughed at. Half the time I was first to crack a joke about it. Maybe I'm too thick-skinned to be a real musician.

 

[Kevan Campbell]

Eh, mistakes happen and we've all made them. Not many of us on national TV in front of the movers and shakers of the music industry, but still, life goes on after a flubbed solo or trainwrecked song. I kinda wonder if he'll start seriously woodshedding now to make up for it?

 

[jerry]

Meanwhile, in other news of the younger generation on guitar...

We were on the same bill with Samantha and her band for a couple shows at the beginning of the year, they killed it!

 

[alaskaleftybass]

Oh geez, you sound like my parents! People have been saying similar stuff since the beginning of time. Every previous generation thinks they're so much better than the current one. And no, you wouldn't be laughing him out of your amateur jam session because he wouldn't be there since he's too busy leading his own successful bands

I agree with you on the youth point. Actually it would be the industry's fault that many young excellent musicians are posting outstanding videos on Youtube and not being picked up by labels for pop music. But the current crop of popular music isn't exactly screaming for a tasty guitar solos, from the music I listen to daily. This opens a whole new can of worms discussion that I had with a young guitarist some years ago. He had attended Berklee for recording production and now works in a studio as an Indie. Good living.

He stated that the instructor told the recording class in so many words, .... "in the 80's and part of the 90's there were all these technically excellent musicians and they were a signature sound of that time, with complex often classical sound anthems and often long guitar solos. So the industry as a whole moved that sound in a different direction. The new standard would be simpler lyrics, simpler music, simpler melodies. No guitar solos. The desire was to create a sound very different from the 80's and 90's to be identifiably different. Thus for the last 16 years the need for technical prowess in pop music would not be as critical as it was in the past...." loosely translated. Good or bad? I don't know-- it's not my generation's music. Maybe I'm nostalgic for that 80's sound I loved. Forgive my nostalgia... and I won't go there anymore. As I have children I wish the young generation all the best, for all our sake.

I'll say it for the rest of you too lol... the 80's are over... get over it!

I need to revise my argument of the guitarist on the horrible solo. I should have said, "if anyone else came in to our jam session playing like that....." And at this point after reading my post I do sound pompous. For this I apologize to whoever I offended. Except you.

 

[Suncat]

Hey the guy is only human.. not every solo is going to be perfect all the time! what sucks even more is fellow musicians putting him down and humiliating him even more for it!! NOT KOOL!!
Keep in mind it could happen to any one of us even you!

Nah it doesn't happen to everyone only those that are not confident in their playing ability.

 

[Flabass]

Finger malfunction.

 

[JimmyM]

I agree with you on the youth point. Actually it would be the industry's fault that many young excellent musicians are posting outstanding videos on Youtube and not being picked up by labels for pop music. But the current crop of popular music isn't exactly screaming for a tasty guitar solos, from the music I listen to daily. This opens a whole new can of worms discussion that I had with a young guitarist some years ago. He had attended Berklee for recording production and now works in a studio as an Indie. Good living.

He stated that the instructor told the recording class in so many words, .... "in the 80's and part of the 90's there were all these technically excellent musicians and they were a signature sound of that time, with complex often classical sound anthems and often long guitar solos. So the industry as a whole moved that sound in a different direction. The new standard would be simpler lyrics, simpler music, simpler melodies. No guitar solos. The desire was to create a sound very different from the 80's and 90's to be identifiably different. Thus for the last 16 years the need for technical prowess in pop music would not be as critical as it was in the past...." loosely translated. Good or bad? I don't know-- it's not my generation's music. Maybe I'm nostalgic for that 80's sound I loved. Forgive my nostalgia... and I won't go there anymore. As I have children I wish the young generation all the best, for all our sake.

I'll say it for the rest of you too lol... the 80's are over... get over it!

I need to revise my argument of the guitarist on the horrible solo. I should have said, "if anyone else came in to our jam session playing like that....." And at this point after reading my post I do sound pompous. For this I apologize to whoever I offended. Except you.

Hahahahahaha! Wasn't asking for one, but OK then

 

[Cole Louis Allar]

Ok then! Let's see you try to play it correctly! Seriously, musicians are people too you know. They make mistakes and almost NOONE noticed. The fact that you had to start a thread bashing him is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Cole Louis Allar]

He got the approval of the Reddit peeps though, Damn Talkbass is a tough place to be in

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in his defence he isnt as bad as lil wayne on guitar

Ok. He is bad on a COMPLETELY different level. I could probably do it better than him and I don't even play six string guitar

 

[JimmyM]

Ok then! Let's see you try to play it correctly! Seriously, musicians are people too you know. They make mistakes and almost NOONE noticed. The fact that you had to start a thread bashing him is beyond ridiculous.

I don't know where the idea that people don't notice big giant clams started, but they do. They don't always notice small ones, but they do notice the big ones.

 

[MCF]

On a solo like that? Incredibly rare in the age of guitarists and just as laughable.

This is the equivalent of a bass player muffing a I-III-V walking pattern. It's a simple melody over a pentatonic minor scale, one of the first solo patterns almost every guitar player learns.

Yeah well, never listened to the guy before this post and likely won't ever again. But, he is doing what I could never do so for that I give him props. No one ever invited me to play guitar for them. There is a ton of great young talent out there today, so I keep an open mind. I do like his guitar...

 

[2manynotes]

Like nobody in the 70's or 80's ever missed a note.......

If I did, I didn't notice, and wouldn't have had the short term memory to even remember.

THAT was the magical part of the 70s.

 

[Matthew Barrack]

One word, my friends. Practice. (praktəs) Do it before you go onstage or you'll end up making a fool of yourself.

 

[Yaralag]

Doh!

 

[Yaralag]

When I hear "guitar solo screwup", I remember this (solo starts at 2:50)

Blame it on the ebow! My roadie forgot to change the battery!!

 

[Justice Graves]

I agree with you on the youth point. Actually it would be the industry's fault that many young excellent musicians are posting outstanding videos on Youtube and not being picked up by labels for pop music. But the current crop of popular music isn't exactly screaming for a tasty guitar solos, from the music I listen to daily. This opens a whole new can of worms discussion that I had with a young guitarist some years ago. He had attended Berklee for recording production and now works in a studio as an Indie. Good living.

He stated that the instructor told the recording class in so many words, .... "in the 80's and part of the 90's there were all these technically excellent musicians and they were a signature sound of that time, with complex often classical sound anthems and often long guitar solos. So the industry as a whole moved that sound in a different direction. The new standard would be simpler lyrics, simpler music, simpler melodies. No guitar solos. The desire was to create a sound very different from the 80's and 90's to be identifiably different. Thus for the last 16 years the need for technical prowess in pop music would not be as critical as it was in the past...." loosely translated. Good or bad?

I had a friend that briefly attended Berklee (I say briefly because he eventually left due to statements very similar to this). He would tell me the tales of how he felt the school was trying to dumb down his music and that it really rubbed him the wrong way. He was a very strong willed individual and didn't take criticism well on any level so I assumed that he was blowing things out of proportion. So nice to know he wasn't full of crap. Thanks for that.

I think this was a good idea run terribly aground in this regard. I enjoy simple music, both to listen to and play. I find beauty in the choices made and the approach to the space and tempo. Because it really is amazing what a very subtly change to structure, or note choices can make to a piece when there aren't that many pieces to begin with. And though I have a great love for the punk of old with no space to even breath in it, I too enjoy some things with what I would call cavernous rests. Simple music can be beautiful when its well execute by talent people. It can also be very painful when poorly executed. The transparency created by simple music (especially live) creates no room for error when most things are over processed and too perfect. I miss the days when music still had some of character left. I'll just leave out my opinions on current "pop" music trends, and save them for another day.

 

[capnsandwich]

Ok then! Let's see you try to play it correctly! Seriously, musicians are people too you know. They make mistakes and almost NOONE noticed. The fact that you had to start a thread bashing him is beyond ridiculous.

If I had an electric guitar, I'd take you up on that. However, I sold all my guitar gear, all except for my acoustic, and bought bass gear with it now that it's my main instrument. You're acting like just because I dislike something I saw on the internet and posted a thread about my dislikes, that automatically means I obviously am either a jealous troll or just someone who hates because I'm some grumpy old geezer. And what I posted wouldn't be called "bashing" now would it? I've seen much worse on these boards about fellow bassists. Pete Wentz ring a bell? I honestly think that some of you guys take things a little too personal.

 

[cnltb]

He got the approval of the Reddit peeps though, Damn Talkbass is a tough place to be in

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in his defence he isnt as bad as lil wayne on guitar

I preferred this to the video in post #1

 

[Thundar]

Ol' Jonas boy shouldve Ace Frehley'd it up with a smoke bomb blazing out the inside of that Tele, and rigged up some kinda Electric Lucifer Orchestra light show on the guitar body, and shot a couple of rockets outta his anus...wonder if them hoity-toity Nashville formula farmers wouldve noticed it then?

 

[Joebone]

Yeah...not just clams, but clams oreganata...

Watching the clip, I wonder if he was worrying about his blocking on the walk over to the mic, and lost focus on his playing. Guessing he was supposed to get to the camera for the closeup, pause, and then continue moving up to the mic.

Added: Yeah, just watched it again. He was supposed to go down a few steps on the way to the mic. You can see them in the long shot at the end of the clip. When he hit the bum note he was right on the edge of the top step.

Cut the dood a break. Multi-tasking sucks, and consider the extent to which the SoulTrain and Dick Clark stuff you grew up with was out and out lip-synched. Sorry he effed it up, but it's understandable, and give credit for his not faking it to the backing track...