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Threads concerning heavy metal: music's true nerds?

#261
john grey said:
So the differentiation of death metal and deathcore are [vocal style] in a chant-like element? (NOTE: I'm not taking issue with it, I AM actually curious; no one put that much distinction in Wiki!)
In the majority of descriptors you had noted issues that concerned vocals. Are there specific musical elements that are distinct?
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There are many distinct nuances to each genre regarding instruments, I was trying to do more of a summary definition to make a point rather than get incredibly specific.
Though the instrumental specifics should be very clear to one who listens to the music. I might add such if I find the time/boredom.
I was just trying to give a basic outline.

And as has been mentioned before, which i might not have posted, Death Metal is the more robust, heavy constant bombardment, take "Make them Suffer" by Cannibal Corpse for instance. Whereas Deathcore makes more use of Breakdowns and musical changes in that sort, like"Suspended by the Throat" by Job for a Cowboy. Though their vocal style does not actually do a "heavy-chant" as i described earlier. They do scream, not every band will fit the outline exactly.
 
#262
The only way to really get it is to just start listening to a variety of different types of extreme metal. That will take some time. Eventually you'll be able to pick out what specific things are influenced by what. If you become really familiar with the pioneering death and black bands you'll start to hear their influences everywhere.
 
#263
I don't think there is any question that Metal is a driving force in popular music (popular with a small "p"). Yet the Wiki article was very cursory in it's descriptors of that genre'.

As an "old guy" I would also take issue with (Wiki's) insertion of bands such as Led Zeppelin as a classic example. Formed in 1968, Wiki used Led Zeppelin as a classic example of the "Blues-Rock" sound with a very wide range of using structure, tempo, technique, & theme of that era. And while very few people are familiar with Blue Cheer (was considered a classic "Acid Rock" example), it came a damn bit closer than much more mainstream bands of that time (IMO). It's not the time frame however that makes the example less pertinent.

This subject is a very difficult thing to categorize. Looking over Wiki's commentary on Metal, the author(s) appeared to use somewhat negative stereotypes (youthful machismo, nihilism, etc) where as they did not do so with other musical genres'.

Genre example attempted independently,; see:
History of Heavy Metal Music and the Metal Subculture
 
#268
I think this thread should be re-named "Hot Topic vs The Real World".

But honestly, and this may be the true difference, some people don't want or care to hear happy simplistic music all the time, and sometimes they want something that can be taken for face value and appreciated.

This is all.
 
#269
DwaynieAD said:
metal heads are actually the cool kids in highschool right now. oddly enough. also metal is so broad its like saying the western hemisphere is ______
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I wouldn't say that being a metal head makes you cool nowdays, it's seems like I am one of the only people in my college (of 2800 people) who prefers "true" metal like Cannibal Corpse, to craptacular deathcore, not even the good stuff like Job For a Cowboy, but the awful ear splitting mainstream stuff like Suicide Silence (they are so bad they have even gone with the YOLO trend).

I agree with you saying that metal is such a broad genre, I feel it absolutely necessary to have the major sub-genres. Death metal is vastly different to Black metal which is vastly different to NWOBHM etc.
 
#270
Marlat said:
The Billy Joe Armstrong thread reminded me of this one.
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No comments, just wanted to take advantage of this opportunity to post this:

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:D
 
#273
The thing that annoys me most about metalheads is their desire to classify everything into endless layers of genre stratification. And they get real ****ty with you if you don't agree that their favorite subgenre is the best, and purest metal subgenre ever...until next week, when meshuggah/periphery/tesseract drops a new album. Then whatever made up crap they come up with for that band becomes the best, purest metal subgenre ever.

In a discussion with a very talented local guitarist, I heard him describe his band as "melodic brutal progressive death metal". I laughed, because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. He got pissed, of course. He couldn't understand why I didn't think his made-up genre crap was not a beautiful and unique snowflake. Sure, everyone wants to be unique and special, but no band is so special they deserve to have their very own genre. You're not your ****ing khakis.

I think the 80s/90s layers were good enough:

Heavy
Thrash
Death
Black

Pretty much everything fits in there somewhere. You don't need 768 subheadings per genre.
 
#274
Progressive metal or prog metal seems legit to me. I have to admit there are some bands out there where the older genre classifications don't fit well....but a bunch of sub genre tags doesn't fit either. I bet electronic music guys argue about this same crap.
 
#276
Oneirogenic said:
Progressive metal or prog metal seems legit to me. I have to admit there are some bands out there where the older genre classifications don't fit well....but a bunch of sub genre tags doesn't fit either. I bet electronic music guys argue about this same crap.
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A fair point.

And yes, they do bicker amongst themselves about genre stratification.
 
#279
Doesn't this apply to all music that isn't mainstream? Metalheads, prog rock, electronica, punk/college/alt rock, stoner/doom etc. etc. They all argue all day about who is the "real thing" or which is the "purest". Which band invented heavy metal? I saw Social Distortion playing Ring of Fire and claiming that punk was invented by Johnny Cash. If you say so.

This applies to all subcultures, not just music. Trekkies and sci fi fans, of course, but also goths and others.

Metal is great. And it's fun to argue about, as long as the arguing is just for fun, like arguing about sports. Punk rock fans are similar, but they add in some politics and anger to make it even more contentious. That sort of thing discourages outsiders from getting into your music, but maybe that's the idea after all.
 
#280
Funky Ghost said:
I agree with ^

Dream Theater, Spocks Beard, Liquid Tension Experiment and Spheric Universe Experiment all would fit nicely in that sub genre.
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Yeah, but that's just 1 layer of the 5 Hammerhed mentioned.

I've had the same experience as him many times.

Someone's like: "Oh, that's melodic blackened power SWEDISH death metal."

And if you disagree, they get mad at you. Or think you don't get it. Sub-genres are fine, but I'm surprised that people don't understand that there is a threshold of specificity that gets crossed, and then things become laughable.
 

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