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It looks like the saddle screws, at least the end towards the tail-piece, look different to me..... maybe some slight improvements for use on Gibsons?
Quite possibly a hint at slight potential improvements for a future two piece Gibson bridge. It’s not at all like the Epiphone two piece once you take a close look at it.

Gibby vs Eppi
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The outside corner radius on the hard tail is larger on the Gibson (good idea). The saddle screw assembly on the Epiphone is not countersunk like the Gibson appears to be (not sure what advantage that has if any, extra machining and non shared components isn’t normally a good cost saving move). The individual saddles appear to be more narrow (right to left) than the Eppi saddles with more air gap between the saddles (interesting, maybe leaving room for a five string variant?). And very importantly, the anchors on the Gibson have once again been placed incorrectly for proper intonation - they are too close to each other. The bass side anchor screw head is in the E string saddle path, that saddle isn’t going much farther back that it already is (not a fault of the bridge design, but a fault in the installation). Edit: this might not be an issue, the angle of the photo makes it hard to tell for sure, but it looks very close.

Kind of a mixed bag, but certainly good enough, better than the three point, and a big step in the right direction.
 
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Quite possibly a hint at slight potential improvements for a future two piece Gibson bridge. It’s not at all like the Epiphone two piece once you take a close look at it.

Gibby vs Eppi
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The outside corner radius on the hard tail is larger on the Gibson (good idea). The saddle screw assembly on the Epiphone is not countersunk like the Gibson appears to be (not sure what advantage that has if any, extra machining and non shared components isn’t normally a good cost saving move). The individual saddles appear to be more narrow (right to left) than the Eppi saddles with more air gap between the saddles (interesting, maybe leaving room for a five string variant?). And very importantly, the anchors on the Gibson have once again been placed incorrectly for proper intonation - they are too close to each other. The bass side anchor screw head is in the E string saddle path, that saddle isn’t going much farther back that it already is (not a fault of the bridge design, but a fault in the installation). Edit: this might not be an issue, the angle of the photo makes it hard to tell for sure, but it looks very close.

Kind of a mixed bag, but certainly good enough, better than the three point, and a big step in the right direction.
Maybe they bought it from Philadelphia Luthier Supply.
 
My 2012 is from China. I'm almost certain it's the wider nut. I'll try to remember to check when I get home this evening.
My Epi Thunderbird is a 2012 but made in Indonesia with a darker neck. I can’t verify information on this. Why the hell is my bass made in Indonesia and not china? I have the narrow neck at 1.5” and that strange dark color on the back of the neck and headstock.
 
Quite possibly a hint at slight potential improvements for a future two piece Gibson bridge. It’s not at all like the Epiphone two piece once you take a close look at it.

Gibby vs Eppi
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The outside corner radius on the hard tail is larger on the Gibson (good idea). The saddle screw assembly on the Epiphone is not countersunk like the Gibson appears to be (not sure what advantage that has if any, extra machining and non shared components isn’t normally a good cost saving move). The individual saddles appear to be more narrow (right to left) than the Eppi saddles with more air gap between the saddles (interesting, maybe leaving room for a five string variant?). And very importantly, the anchors on the Gibson have once again been placed incorrectly for proper intonation - they are too close to each other. The bass side anchor screw head is in the E string saddle path, that saddle isn’t going much farther back that it already is (not a fault of the bridge design, but a fault in the installation). Edit: this might not be an issue, the angle of the photo makes it hard to tell for sure, but it looks very close.

Kind of a mixed bag, but certainly good enough, better than the three point, and a big step in the right direction.

Original '64 string-stop, Badbird replacement bridge w/saddles/bolts/nuts from the '64 bridge. Yes, the bolts are reversed - I always found it easier to get a screwdriver in from the top where there's more room than try to get it under the short space between the string-stop.

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Maybe they bought it from Philadelphia Luthier Supply.
Nope, not a match there either, except for the saddle sizes. The PL intonation screws use tension springs vs a nut and the hard tail has a much smaller radius on the corners. I think its a unique design for this specific build and as Kara said, might be a hint of things to come from Gibson (I hope).
 
Original '64 string-stop, Badbird replacement bridge w/saddles/bolts/nuts from the '64 bridge. Yes, the bolts are reversed - I always found it easier to get a screwdriver in from the top where there's more room than try to get it under the short space between the string-stop.

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Yep, the BadBird hard tail looks the same. The bridge is very different though.
 
What bothers me is that the E side of the bridge is raised much higher than the G side
I was wondering about that too. Would they need to do that if he was using drop tuning with floppy strings maybe? I would hope the saddles were cut correctly and the neck had no issues.

On a related note, do you know if the new Gibson NR uses the exact same pickups as the Epiphone VP? Or did Gibson create something new for the NR?
 
........, better than the three point, ........

I don't know that I'd go that far........imo - unless I've forgotten something? - the three-point only really has one significant problem (anchors/inserts pulling loose from body), and one minor-ish one (saddles aren't secured to bridge independent of string tension), that isn't really a problem, just a bit of a nuisance :bag:


If those inserts were slotted across the top & and threaded to be screwed into the wood, instead of pressed in, they would be much more reliable.

imo

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That goes waaaaay back. My HS combo played that and other CCR songs and our BL/singer/keyboardist used to say that. 'Older than Moses' as was also said!
We played all the CCR classics in our HS band. Pretty much the music, along with Grand Funk, Neil/CSN, Black Sabbath, Bowie, (and God forbid, bread, America, the Carpenters) of our generation.
 
I thought they were different? Wasn't it Scott & V, maybe, that swapped pickups for those?
Mine sound different, but I wasn’t sure if that was more a part of the pickup placement. I seem to recall something about one of them being Alnico and the other Ceramic but not sure that was ever confirmed. Yes, Scott and Veronica traded pups, but Scott rerouted his NR neck pickup to match the 60’s location, so again, is it different or is it placement, or is it both? IDK
 
I don't know that I'd go that far........imo - unless I've forgotten something? - the three-point only really has one significant problem (anchors/inserts pulling loose from body), and one minor-ish one (saddles aren't secured to bridge independent of string tension), that isn't really a problem, just a bit of a nuisance :bag:


If those inserts were slotted across the top & and threaded to be screwed into the wood, instead of pressed in, they would be much more reliable.

imo

:)
And that would be doing it the right way! Friction fit in wood that is capable of expanding and contracting is certainly not ideal.
 
I don't know that I'd go that far........imo - unless I've forgotten something? - the three-point only really has one significant problem (anchors/inserts pulling loose from body), and one minor-ish one (saddles aren't secured to bridge independent of string tension), that isn't really a problem, just a bit of a nuisance :bag:


If those inserts were slotted across the top & and threaded to be screwed into the wood, instead of pressed in, they would be much more reliable.

imo

:)
And that would be doing it the right way! Friction fit in wood that is capable of expanding and contracting is certainly not ideal.