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Thunderbird Club

The chassis looks very similar to a Fisher 400 I have, EL84 power tubes?
yes, probably a straight copy….interestingly the 84’s are built (surely under license) by no other than Tung-Sol and nowhere do you see the (these were originally designed by Philips/Telefunken to compete with the American 6V6) Euro 6BQ5 nomenclature…
 
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Sicily at my uncle’s anyone?…
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yes, probably a straight copy….interestingly the 84’s are built (surely under license) by no other than Tung-Sol and nowhere do you see the (these were originally designed by Philips/Telefunken to compete with the American 6V6) Euro 6BQ5 nomenclature…
US 6BQ5 nomenclature. I was probably close to 40 before I heard of an EL84 and thought it was some kind of alternative to the 6BQ5!
 
Newer ones are narrow like that. I am not sure when the change happened. It was after they moved production from Korea to China.

Iirc, 2011/2012 is when the bolt-on Thunderbirds switched from 1.75 to 1.5 string-nut width (production moved to China for '07).

It's just occurred to me......does anyone know if the "dusty end" of the fretboard on those was changed as well? Or is it the same......
 
Flipping it should not be a problem.
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The bridge saddles do come out. The captive nut at the top of the bridge has an interference thread so it does not come off when you turn the screw to set intonation, but if you hold the nut with a wrench and back the screw out it will come off. Then you can swap saddle position around.

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For the nut, I would have a new one cut for left hand. Simply turning the stock one around would not be shaped right. it is square towards the fretboard and rounded towards the tuners. Fortunately, cutting a new, nut is not too hard or expensive.

String length won't be a problem. Any set of strings that fits a VP will fit it flipped. All 4 strings start at the same length out of the package. So if a set has a G string that fits the long side of the headstock, then the E will also.

Replaced the nut with a pre-slotted TUSQ XL, it fits very well after a little sanding, although I'm unsure about the height as it turned out to be slightly sloped (not as much as the stock nut but enough that wonder if it'll work). It was a good lesson in nut removal and maintenance regardless although I suspect I'll have to give it to a guitar tech and just get a new nut cut from a blank in the end.

For the saddles, I'm not sure mine are particularly tight or what, but I'm having real trouble getting them out to the point that it's starting to warp the screw heads a little. Did you use anything to help ease them out or did they just come off easily?
 
US 6BQ5 nomenclature. I was probably close to 40 before I heard of an EL84 and thought it was some kind of alternative to the 6BQ5!

We shared a couple bills with a spy-surf band named Agent EL84. :bassist:
 
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Thanks everyone for the TB+ answers. The reason I asked is because there's no markings or numbers whatsoever. Both look pretty identical apart from the tape remnants.
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From this side I'd guess the one with string marks is the front pickup.
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You're probably right about the string marks :thumbsup:

Almost looks like somebody painted over the backside of them.....


Does one have longer wiring than the other?
Might be obvious, but if so, that'll likely be the neck p/u.




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You're probably right about the string marks :thumbsup:

Almost looks like somebody painted over the backside of them.....


Does one have longer wiring than the other?
Might be obvious, but if so, that'll likely be the neck p/u.

:)

The string mark one has a bit longer wire. Good point!

I might be able to measure them this evening so we will see if we we're right. With my luck they'll both have the exact same readings...
Which isn't a big problem at all, mind you.