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Which Mesa 215? The modern Powerhouse is a very different design than the old Diesel.

For whatever reason, while yes the 410HLF is an extreme example, the 410s I've played through have generally seemed less aggressive in the mids than the 15s I've played through.

Currently I play a Sunn 2000S 2x15 and it's a beast.
It was the diesel I believe, it was not a powerhouse, it might have even been the road case version, but the room was also an issue, that particular studio, while supposedly designed for proper acoustics, was very hard to get a good bass tone in those rooms. It was the late 90s too so it was a while ago. I remember sticking my wm10 on top to try to get more articulation.

Really the fault was probably more the room the cab.
 
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It was the diesel I believe, it was not a powerhouse, it might have even been the road case version, but the room was also an issue, that particular studio, while supposedly designed for proper acoustics, was very hard to get a good bass tone in those rooms. It was the late 90s too so it was a while ago. I remember sticking my wm10 on top to try to get more articulation.

Really the fault was probably more the room the cab.
I rarely can get a sound as good in a rehearsal room as I can in a venue. If I can actually hear both what the rest of the band is playing and what I'm playing, it's a good day.
 
Why an SUV in particular?

They tend to have worse mileage than comparable cars, are harder to park, and don't really have that much more storage space than a wagon or a minivan.
I can't figure out the allure of SUVs. They have the lousy fuel economy of a truck, the limited capacity of a station wagon, the long nose of a truck or station wagon, and the top is fixed, like a van or station wagon so you can't load them from the side. If you took all the worst parts of a van, station wagon, and pickup and rolled them into one vehicle, you get an SUV. I just flat don't get it. I have a full sized Chevy van. It radiates a world of iffiness, because only creepy people and plumbers drive big vans with blacked out windows. And government employees you don't want to run afoul of. It gets poor fuel economy, but it seats four or five people, hauls a PA, my enormous amp, a guitar amp, a drum kit, another guitar and guitar amp, and all the rest of the bits and pieces for a show. No trailer necessary, but if one is necessary for some reason, it can pull one. Everything stays dry. It's got a short nose, so I can see far better than most at intersections. An SUV does none of those things except get lousy fuel economy.

So, there's my rant for the day. I probably offended a bunch of people, but it's OK. I drive a van and I'm not a plumber.
 
I test drove an X1 a few weeks ago and was sold but the wife preferred the X3 just for the more generous backseat leg room and cargo space. The X1 drove and handled really well. Solidly built. A lot of cool features.
X1, not so much. A glorified Minicooper. X3s are great. Your wife is certainly the smartest member of your household. Sorry, just sayin...
 
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I can't figure out the allure of SUVs. They have the lousy fuel economy of a truck, the limited capacity of a station wagon, the long nose of a truck or station wagon, and the top is fixed, like a van or station wagon so you can't load them from the side. If you took all the worst parts of a van, station wagon, and pickup and rolled them into one vehicle, you get an SUV. I just flat don't get it. I have a full sized Chevy van. It radiates a world of iffiness, because only creepy people and plumbers drive big vans with blacked out windows. And government employees you don't want to run afoul of. It gets poor fuel economy, but it seats four or five people, hauls a PA, my enormous amp, a guitar amp, a drum kit, another guitar and guitar amp, and all the rest of the bits and pieces for a show. No trailer necessary, but if one is necessary for some reason, it can pull one. Everything stays dry. It's got a short nose, so I can see far better than most at intersections. An SUV does none of those things except get lousy fuel economy.

So, there's my rant for the day. I probably offended a bunch of people, but it's OK. I drive a van and I'm not a plumber.
I love my Subaru Forrester. A perfect SUV. Good mileage (+ or - 32 mpg) lots of cargo space (with rear sear folded down, so it won't haul more than two people in that iteration - they can follow me in their Civic) great all wheel drive and foul weather handling. I drove Volvos for forty years, and don't miss the high cost of ownership one bit. Subaru. I'll never own another brand.
 
I can't figure out the allure of SUVs. They have the lousy fuel economy of a truck, the limited capacity of a station wagon, the long nose of a truck or station wagon, and the top is fixed, like a van or station wagon so you can't load them from the side. If you took all the worst parts of a van, station wagon, and pickup and rolled them into one vehicle, you get an SUV. I just flat don't get it. I have a full sized Chevy van. It radiates a world of iffiness, because only creepy people and plumbers drive big vans with blacked out windows. And government employees you don't want to run afoul of. It gets poor fuel economy, but it seats four or five people, hauls a PA, my enormous amp, a guitar amp, a drum kit, another guitar and guitar amp, and all the rest of the bits and pieces for a show. No trailer necessary, but if one is necessary for some reason, it can pull one. Everything stays dry. It's got a short nose, so I can see far better than most at intersections. An SUV does none of those things except get lousy fuel economy.

So, there's my rant for the day. I probably offended a bunch of people, but it's OK. I drive a van and I'm not a plumber.
Exactly. Plus they don't hold much more than a station wagon or minivan (often less), but they're higher off the ground, so harder to load (you have to lift a big cab further up before it levers in). It's the automobile personification of "jack of all trades, master of none."
 
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I'll say it again S U B A R U.
Accept no substitute (BTW that's stolen from Porsche!)

I own two actually, I couldn't let the 18 year old Outback go when I got a "new" 2006, best car ever for a working bassist.
 
Not the greatest in gas mileage, but my 2003 astro awd 4300 van is pretty nice, same drive as a Subaru, I heard Chevy and Subaru had teamed up on the awd Astros. The handling is grand Prix! But 18mpg, 13 city. It needs a lot of repair from some serious battle. Daily driver is a 2008 Nissan versa hatchback, about 30mpg and really nimble.
 
well, here's the bolt on (Needs new pickups, neck is great though and it vibrates like hell) and my 12's :-D I use em for 70s desert rock (not really stoner, more of a bluesy type)

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I love my Subaru Forrester. A perfect SUV. Good mileage (+ or - 32 mpg) lots of cargo space (with rear sear folded down, so it won't haul more than two people in that iteration - they can follow me in their Civic) great all wheel drive and foul weather handling. I drove Volvos for forty years, and don't miss the high cost of ownership one bit. Subaru. I'll never own another brand.
I would consider that a station wagon, not an SUV so much. It's not near the blobby dumpty pod most of them are, nor is it a fake truck. It's a car with a big carrying box on the back and four wheel drive, not a fashion statement.

My brother has a Subaru. I don't know which one, but it's a marvel of space management from the factory. You can fit all kinds of stuff in there. If I didn't need to pull a trailer on occasion or haul motorcycles on occasion, one of those would be high on my list of replacements for the thirsty van.
 
Oh, man, I'm headed down the shiny box path. I just bought a pedal board to hold the wireless receiver, fDeck HPF, and ToneHammer. Please tell me that's not a gateway drug. Please tell me that pedals don't breed like bunnies in a closet and turn into layer after layer of fuzz, chorus, distortion... I was so happy with just a cord for so long.
 
Oh, man, I'm headed down the shiny box path. I just bought a pedal board to hold the wireless receiver, fDeck HPF, and ToneHammer. Please tell me that's not a gateway drug. Please tell me that pedals don't breed like bunnies in a closet and turn into layer after layer of fuzz, chorus, distortion... I was so happy with just a cord for so long.

Well, sorry to say, but your next step is to join the Pedal Breeders Club in the effects forum.
 
Well, sorry to say, but your next step is to join the Pedal Breeders Club in the effects forum.
The horror! It may be genetic. My brother is already over there. Next time I have time for making stuff out of wood, I'll be building a five level pedal board/shelf/tree/rabbit hutch with him.
 
Oh, man, I'm headed down the shiny box path. I just bought a pedal board to hold the wireless receiver, fDeck HPF, and ToneHammer. Please tell me that's not a gateway drug. Please tell me that pedals don't breed like bunnies in a closet and turn into layer after layer of fuzz, chorus, distortion... I was so happy with just a cord for so long.

Oh yeah, you'll be fine. You can't get hooked with just one try. And while your here, have some heroin; same deal.
 
Oh, man, I'm headed down the shiny box path. I just bought a pedal board to hold the wireless receiver, fDeck HPF, and ToneHammer. Please tell me that's not a gateway drug. Please tell me that pedals don't breed like bunnies in a closet and turn into layer after layer of fuzz, chorus, distortion... I was so happy with just a cord for so long.

You'll be fine, I stopped after four. Do you have a tuner? Also treat yourself to a decent power supply and mount it wherever it fits. That will be a top class fly-rig. And ... where are the pictures?

 
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Which Mesa 215? The modern Powerhouse is a very different design than the old Diesel.

For whatever reason, while yes the 410HLF is an extreme example, the 410s I've played through have generally seemed less aggressive in the mids than the 15s I've played through.

Currently I play a Sunn 2000S 2x15 and it's a beast.

FWIW, I find the Mesa/Boogie Diesel 2x15 to be a surprisingly clear, articulate and full-range cab. I fell in love with the first one I heard, but didn't have a vehicle that could transport it (more on that, below). I later picked up this beauty, and it still sounds great:

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That Trace Elliot 2x15 is also a great-sounding cab. A bit more mid-forward, but somewhat "tunable" with the port plugs.
 
Why an SUV in particular?

They tend to have worse mileage than comparable cars, are harder to park, and don't really have that much more storage space than a wagon or a minivan.

I had an Audi S6 Avant for years, and it could hold a ton of gear. But I missed driving a stick, and I wanted better fuel economy, so I picked up a Hyundai Veloster Turbo. This thing is like a Tardis inside! Here's the old car with the new one, about four and half years ago:

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The Veloster Turbo fits my Kay upright, without having to use the front seat passenger space, and it fits an Ampeg AVT-810 (again, without needing to move the front seats forward). Here it is with a Fender Bassman Pro Neo 610, and the SB300 head between the cab and front seats:

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