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Blue Monday...........

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dagrev said:
Love that song. Can't not post it after you mentioned it. Can't count the times I happened to listening to this during a beautiful sunny morning. Perfect match. The song just oozes new morning freedom to me.

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My favorite AB album and one of my fave songs, for sure!
 
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Miles_ONeal said:
I’m convinced Mt Joy was listening to the Allman Brothers’ Blue Sky when they wrote Astrovan. Totally digging it as this month’s favorite jam song. Channeling Berry, Duane, and Dickie as I play. Not well, but I got the vibe. Blue Sky, Red Greco.
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Funny thing about the Allman Brothers is that the bass has a reggae-ish vibe to it sometimes. At least to my ears it does. The sound is a little parched and doesn't have much of the teal I like in it, but it works well.
 
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Count Bassie said:
Hey all, pardon this sidebar... I run a sale/swap group on Facebook, and it's generally a pretty cool experience. We only do private dealing, no commercial interests, repairs, promotions of any kind at all. Not even art gigs.
But we've seen some Chibsons, other forgeries with popular headstocks, and the other admin due the group is unhappy about it. The illegality of it has made him uncomfortable and he wants to make it taboo.
There's a pretty good cross-section of folks here, and I wonder if anyone here has an opinion?
I just think they're ubiquitous, and already on the market. We're a private used instrument group. I dislike the sleazy venture, but there are plenty of even horrifying business practices that we take first granted every day... Just putting it in the table.
Thanks for reading.
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Fakes should be flagged as fakes every time. Copies don't bother me much, and I'm happy with the Fakenbacker I have. It's a "real" Fakenbacker, since it makes no pretense about being a Rickenbacker. That's OK with me. Forgeries are not OK.
 
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11th Street Kid said:
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I’m a lucky man! It’s my birthday at the beginning of May and a mystery box arrived at the door early this morning. My wonderful wife said that as she had nowhere to hide it that I must open it now! Wow! 🤩

I’ve wanted a red Thunderbird for 30+ years and this is an absolute beauty, just like my wife 🤗 💕
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Sweet! I have one that color as well, I need to get it out more often. You have a wonderful spouse, congratulations on your new Thunderbird!
 
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Gaolee said:
Funny thing about the Allman Brothers is that the bass has a reggae-ish vibe to it sometimes. At least to my ears it does. The sound is a little parched and doesn't have much of the teal I like in it, but it works well.
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Berry was all about the BASS, which ended up being the norm for southern rock. Plenty of other instruments to carry the rest of the spectrum.
 
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Miles_ONeal said:
Berry was all about the BASS, which ended up being the norm for southern rock. Plenty of other instruments to carry the rest of the spectrum.
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excellent point...when you got a bunch of guitars, keys and (in this case) two drummers....play BASS...
got dissed the other night for following the guitar riff on One Way Out....
 
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Count Bassie said:
Hey all, pardon this sidebar... I run a sale/swap group on Facebook, and it's generally a pretty cool experience. We only do private dealing, no commercial interests, repairs, promotions of any kind at all. Not even art gigs.
But we've seen some Chibsons, other forgeries with popular headstocks, and the other admin due the group is unhappy about it. The illegality of it has made him uncomfortable and he wants to make it taboo.
There's a pretty good cross-section of folks here, and I wonder if anyone here has an opinion?
I just think they're ubiquitous, and already on the market. We're a private used instrument group. I dislike the sleazy venture, but there are plenty of even horrifying business practices that we take first granted every day... Just putting it in the table.
Thanks for reading.
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IMHO I see nothing wrong with buying, selling, trading knockoffs, AS LONG AS it’s clearly called out in the title AND description that it’s not a real Gibson or whatever and that it’s labeling on the headstock or wherever does NOT mislead a potential buyer to believe it’s something it’s not. And yes, I’m aware that a really good knockoff with no badging or even badging that clearly calls it a knockoff can be called a knockoff on the original sale but may be rebadged and flipped by an unscrupulous buyer for a lot of profit. That resale situation falls into misrepresentation as noted in my first sentence, which in my opinion should not be knowingly allowed on your website.

A lot of hobbyists and builders out there will put together a Gibson inspired bass or a Tribute bass. From a hobbyist standpoint, Look at my many Tbird builds, none of which are called Gibsons, all are clearly labeled North. Look at the BaCH basses where there was a professional attempt to reproduce as faithfully as possible a long out of production NR bird, but to the best of my knowledge was never marketed as a Gibson. Then there’s the Dingwall DBirds, Grecos, Lulls etc that are clearly Tbird inspired basses but again were never marketed as Gibsons. If a manufacturer or builder received a cease and desist order from Gibson they’ll most likely abide by it, but I see nothing wrong with owning or selling whatever has already been produced as long as it’s not being misrepresented as something it’s not and as long as Gibson or whoever hasn’t issued a destroy all copies order.

If your sellers accurately call it what it is and don’t make any attempt to misrepresent it or use deceptive wording in the advertisement in an attempt to mislead a naive buyer then all is good in my book. Let the manufacturers police their own products.

This is all just my opinion, and I think Talkbass may even have rules that disagree with it to a degree, so follow my advice at your own risk.
 
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11th Street Kid said:
View attachment 7202094

I’m a lucky man! It’s my birthday at the beginning of May and a mystery box arrived at the door early this morning. My wonderful wife said that as she had nowhere to hide it that I must open it now! Wow! 🤩

I’ve wanted a red Thunderbird for 30+ years and this is an absolute beauty, just like my wife 🤗 💕
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You married well. 😎
Congrats on a fabulous T-Bird and an outstanding wife!
 
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GBassNorth said:
IMHO I see nothing wrong with buying, selling, trading knockoffs, AS LONG AS it’s clearly called out in the title AND description that it’s not a real Gibson or whatever and that it’s labeling on the headstock or wherever does NOT mislead a potential buyer to believe it’s something it’s not. And yes, I’m aware that a really good knockoff with no badging or even badging that clearly calls it a knockoff can be called a knockoff on the original sale but may be rebadged and flipped by an unscrupulous buyer for a lot of profit. That resale situation falls into misrepresentation as noted in my first sentence, which in my opinion should not be knowingly allowed on your website.

A lot of hobbyists and builders out there will put together a Gibson inspired bass or a Tribute bass. From a hobbyist standpoint, Look at my many Tbird builds, none of which are called Gibsons, all are clearly labeled North. Look at the BaCH basses where there was a professional attempt to reproduce as faithfully as possible a long out of production NR bird, but to the best of my knowledge was never marketed as a Gibson. Then there’s the Dingwall DBirds, Grecos, Lulls etc that are clearly Tbird inspired basses but again were never marketed as Gibsons. If a manufacturer or builder received a cease and desist order from Gibson they’ll most likely abide by it, but I see nothing wrong with owning or selling whatever has already been produced as long as it’s not being misrepresented as something it’s not and as long as Gibson or whoever hasn’t issued a destroy all copies order.

If your sellers accurately call it what it is and don’t make any attempt to misrepresent it or use deceptive wording in the advertisement in an attempt to mislead a naive buyer then all is good in my book. Let the manufacturers police their own products.

This is all just my opinion, and I think Talkbass may even have rules that disagree with it to a degree, so follow my advice at your own risk.
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Yeah, I get your line here.
I think part of what I was dealing with (we decided to disallow the "Chibson" thing) is the fact that some of this stuff involves what is essentially slave labor along the way. That, and the blatant sleaze that is the origin of it.
I think that buyers and sellers need to police themselves, and take what's coming when they're discovered. Things may slide by, can't help it, but if I can discern it then I'll nail it.
Being up front about what it is, that's a judgement call, but doing something in a public venue will mean that 'politics' are now involved, and I'm truth I don't wish to give any kind of support to brutish practices against humanity- the slave labor thing.
Anyway, thank you everyone for chiming in. We got er done. 👍
 
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11th Street Kid said:
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I’m a lucky man! It’s my birthday at the beginning of May and a mystery box arrived at the door early this morning. My wonderful wife said that as she had nowhere to hide it that I must open it now! Wow! 🤩

I’ve wanted a red Thunderbird for 30+ years and this is an absolute beauty, just like my wife 🤗 💕
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Congratulations on the new Bird and the wonderful wife!!
 
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My opinion on the "copy" thing is more nuanced than law, or forum rules, may allow for.

Nothing not made by Gibson should say or imply it was.

Copies are art.
Fakes are theft.

& if the original maker no longer produces it, or never did make one EXACTLY like it, then so long as no claim is made that it was made by them, then no harm, no foul.

Just my opinion.
 
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