Thunderbird Club

[Dadagoboi]

I don't think that legalized is the right word, as that implies that it is not a criminal code offence and IIRC the criminal code is federal. Instruction to law enforcement to not arrest & charge and unwillingness from the DA to prosecute - what would that be? Tolerance or decriminalization?

The criminal code part is a big deal as none of the federally chartered banks can have any relationship (banking, payment processing etc.) as doing any of those things would constitute money laundering.

CA is considering chartering a bank to fix that. F##K the criminal code. Alcohol is FAR more dangerous, let alone legal opiods.

And F##k the nanny state.

 

[Dr_Feelgoood212]

Anyone interested in a quick trip to Buffalo to see @godofthunder59 play in his Fleetwood Mac tribute?

The Facebook page is saying it's Sunday?

 

[Dadagoboi]

Again, not legal as it remains a criminal code offence. Tolerated?

Also, I am not sure how binding the ballot referenda are; I have not read any state constitutions. Certainly in the Westminster tradition (most former British colonies), a referendum is not binding (i.e. the British parliament is not obliged to negotiate Brexit regardless of the outcome of the vote, however, the party(ies) involved may suffer in the next election by their actions or lack thereof).

As binding as the citizenry want to make it...if we lived in a real democracy. It's no secret that the Pharma and Alcohol industries are dead set against it and their lobbyists are working hard too roll back the tide.

Disclosure: I don't smoke pot and don't really drink but feel any human adult has the right to ingest ANYTHING he chooses. And I mean ANYTHING.

 

[Stevis]

Legality of cannabis by U.S. jurisdiction - Wikipedia

I find the whole commercialization and decriminalization thing to be fascinating. If you aren't familiar with it, there is a tv show called "Weediquette" that explores the various social, political and economic facets in the U.S. and abroad. DC has very weird cannibus laws. But surprisingly, so does Amsterdam, when it comes to the growing, sale and possession for recreational use.

For the oldsters among us, I think that we can see parallels between the U.S. cannabis industry and the gaming industry. Legal gambling went from "sin to salvation" and proliferated here because it was argued to create jobs, increase state tax revenues and help to support education. I saw the very same arguments being made in Washington state, when legalization of recreational cannabis was on the ballot there.

For Monday, please read chapter 7 in your text. We might have a quiz.

 

[Off-Beat]

As binding as the citizenry want to make it...if we lived in a real democracy. It's no secret that the Pharma and Alcohol industries are dead set against it and their lobbyists are working hard too roll back the tide.

Disclosure: I don't smoke pot and don't really drink but feel any human adult has the right to ingest ANYTHING he chooses. And I mean ANYTHING.

I feel the same way with a stipulation, that DUI and other reckless behaviour should cause severe punishment.

 

[Butcherboy]

Beautiful!

To tell the truth, it's one of my 91 birds with Schaller M4 tuners (chrome), Gotoh bridge (nickel), additional tailpiece by godofthunder59 and Montreux Time Machine tbird 64 pickups from Japan...my workhorse....

 

[Dadagoboi]

I feel the same way with a stipulation, that DUI and other reckless behaviour should cause severe punishment.

Without doubt!

 

[kat888]

It turns out that alcohol, apart from all the negative social effects, is also a significant carcinogen. I had already scaled my drinking right back, but it's an incentive to keep intake down.

 

[Gaolee]

Accents are like music. Of the great variety of US accents, West Texas is very easy on the ear, and I've been partial to Southern Gothic, Southern Noir and things swampy (and the accompanying accents) for as long as I can remember.

West Texas isn't swampy. It's arid. I don't know if you mean their accents or not. I mean the landscape.

My favorite accents are South African. Oddly enough, I don't like the way Arabic sounds, but Arabic speakers often have beautiful accents when they speak English.

 

[kat888]

West Texas isn't swampy. It's arid. I don't know if you mean their accents or not. I mean the landscape.

My favorite accents are South African. Oddly enough, I don't like the way Arabic sounds, but Arabic speakers often have beautiful accents when they speak English.

It's all in the comma dude - 1. West Texas accents are especially good to listen to and I know there ain't no swamp there, 2. I also like the South Eastern accents you get in the gothic and noir served up in popular culture in the fillums and on the telly box.

Oh and 'dwawg' and 'kwawfee' is more of a Queens thing isn't it?

 

[Gluvhand]

It's all in the comma dude - 1. West Texas accents are especially good to listen to and I know there ain't no swamp there, 2. I also like the South Eastern accents you get in the gothic and noir served up in popular culture in the fillums and on the telly box.

Oh and 'dwawg' and 'kwawfee' is more of a Queens thing isn't it?

Queens, Bronx, parts of Long Island but I don't know what that extra "w" is all about.

 

[PillO]

That is precisely what the story was saying. How have they dealt with that in other countries?

Here is the problem. When a drug is approved by a health authority (and for convenience, we will use the US FDA, but the mechanics are similar in most western democracies), the FDA approves the drug for one or more indications at one or more dosage levels. But, the relationship between physicians and patient is confidential, so a doctor can prescribe any approved drug in any dosage chosen for any indication. But, should the patient sue the doctor, or should the licensing body investigate the doctor, if the drug was not prescribed at a dose and for an indication approved by the FDA, the doctor will be in the position of defending the use of the drug. A defense could be mounted by citing relevant scientific literature that shows that despite the lack of an approval, the drug has been shown to be safe and effective for the given indication.

So, if you are looking at the potential liability for the doctor, if it is a use as described by the FDA in its prescribing information, the FDA is on the hook for the liability. If not, the doctor is on the hook. Then there is the added problem that malpractice insurance may not cover liability for unapproved uses.

So, for a doctor, if you value your license and your house, you stick very close to the FDA prescribing information.

For the oldsters among us, I think that we can see parallels between the U.S. cannabis industry and the gaming industry. Legal gambling went from "sin to salvation" and proliferated here because it was argued to create jobs, increase state tax revenues and help to support education. I saw the very same arguments being made in Washington state, when legalization of cannabis was on the ballot there.

Government plans always try to look good on paper. The politicians will bark on about the tax revenue ignoring the fact that cannabis can be cultivated with little or no skill making it difficult, economically questionable, or impossible to collect the purported taxes.

 

[Gaolee]

It's all in the comma dude - 1. West Texas accents are especially good to listen to and I know there ain't no swamp there, 2. I also like the South Eastern accents you get in the gothic and noir served up in popular culture in the fillums and on the telly box.

Oh and 'dwawg' and 'kwawfee' is more of a Queens thing isn't it?

Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx. They are all different, but close enough to fool the uninitiated. Boston and parts of Brooklyn are very similar, too. There are some really funny Bronx accents. Counting to three: foist, second, toid.

 

[ubernator]

InBev is super huge. Kind of like Fender buying up smaller manufacturers to get the name. I'm friends with the owner of Flying Bison, and even they are partly owned by Matts Brewing. (Utica NY)

when I was a kid in the 80s visiting my Dad in Schenectady NY, I remember him drinking Matt's beer, and being a real proponent of it, perhaps better stated as he was going through a matt's phase. Enough that it all came back to me when I saw this post. I also remember LaBatts being one as well.

Visiting via Selkirk area 20 minutes away twice a month prior to 6/86 and twice a year
Via orange county CA after 6/86.

Is matt's still around?

 

[veebass]

Here is the problem. When a drug is approved by a health authority (and for convenience, we will use the US FDA, but the mechanics are similar in most western democracies), the FDA approves the drug for one or more indications at one or more dosage levels. But, the relationship between physicians and patient is confidential, so a doctor can prescribe any approved drug in any dosage chosen for any indication. But, should the patient sue the doctor, or should the licensing body investigate the doctor, if the drug was not prescribed at a dose and for an indication approved by the FDA, the doctor will be in the position of defending the use of the drug. A defense could be mounted by citing relevant scientific literature that shows that despite the lack of an approval, the drug has been shown to be safe and effective for the given indication.

So, if you are looking at the potential liability for the doctor, if it is a use as described by the FDA in its prescribing information, the FDA is on the hook for the liability. If not, the doctor is on the hook. Then there is the added problem that malpractice insurance may not cover liability for unapproved uses.

So, for a doctor, if you value your license and your house, you stick very close to the FDA prescribing information.



Government plans always try to look good on paper. The politicians will bark on about the tax revenue ignoring the fact that cannabis can be cultivated with little or no skill making it difficult, economically questionable, or impossible to collect the purported taxes.

Thanks for that.
Sounds very similar to what I am hearing here. There is a case in the media here where a Doctor seems to have underprescribed cancer medication dosage in a public hospital. Sounds like similar issues.

 

[Stevis]

Government plans always try to look good on paper. The politicians will bark on about the tax revenue ignoring the fact that cannabis can be cultivated with little or no skill making it difficult, economically questionable, or impossible to collect the purported taxes.

I was under the impression that most states have so-called "seed-to-sale" laws, which supposedly involve a UPC code (see below) that tracks things from seeds through the distribution channel to point of sale. There are companies specializing in turnkey solutions to do this. Now, how states have resources to examine all the potential data points is another question. Likewise, one of the bizarre aspects of this business in the U.S. is that it is mandatory that all purchases from despenseries be cash transactions (because it is still a federal crime to sell it). That seems like it would invite problems too.

I am more suspect of whether tax revenues will actually be used to benefit public education. The windfall from gambling tax revenues has never lived up to promises in most states here.

Note: I am not posting the below image to endorse the use of cannibus but to illustrate aspects of it's industrialization and commercialization.

 

[Count Bassie]

Note: I am not posting the below image to endorse the use of cannibus but to illustrate aspects of it's industrialization and commercialization.

Understood, of course!

 

[theFixer]

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Pretty much look's like Ridley's P-bass except for the fretboard & artwork!

 

[Inky13]

when I was a kid in the 80s visiting my Dad in Schenectady NY, I remember him drinking Matt's beer, and being a real proponent of it, perhaps better stated as he was going through a matt's phase. Enough that it all came back to me when I saw this post. I also remember LaBatts being one as well.

Visiting via Selkirk area 20 minutes away twice a month prior to 6/86 and twice a year
Via orange county CA after 6/86.

Is matt's still around?

It is. In addition to its own products, it contract brews for Sam Adams as well as many others. One of the oldest in the state. They had the distinction of having the highest ABV for any commercial beer. (Maximus Supra) I don't remember exactly, but it was up there. 7.2?
I've had a bit if it, so that explains my poor long term memory.
They were one of the first to have a beer ball. Cool tour if you go, with an old trolley to cart you around.

 

[RedVee]

Well, the Monty Python foot of life just stomped on that bird.
Plumber in yesterday and we need a new hot water system.