Thunderbird Club

[GonePlaid]

Well, at least the solos were in tune. Were they nice long solos - 32 bars or more in 32nd notes? Nothing says groove like 1024 notes in 60 seconds...


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Wait! YOU(?)Sarcastic?

 

[GonePlaid]

I only now caught that, trade the P, Neh-Vah!!!!!!!!!!!

At least you slept on it.

 

[Klondike]

Wankery is so 80s. Don't care for it. Although I like my politics separate from my music, I do like U2. And it is primarily because they all play right in the pocket. Even the Edge with all his delays and effects, he keeps everything right in the pocket - a talent demonstrated by too few guitar players. And I like Slash's solos - he gets more done with one note (ok, with a wah) than EVH does with 64.

Im still enamored with EVH, he still has it. Imho

 

[KB5]

There are a number of players that can do a very good and tasteful bass solo. IMHO they tend to be shorter and tend to be extensions of the groove. I'm thinking solos like Deacon's in Dragon Attack. And as much as I want to hate Billy Sheehan, his playing in Winery Dogs is great grooving and his solos are sort and simple.

What I really hate is the guys trying to do Eddie Van Halen on bass. Actually, for that matter, I really hate the guys trying to do Eddie Van Halen on guitar. Actually, I'm tired of Eddie Van Halen too. To my mind, Polonius had it right - brevity is the soul of wit. If you can't get to the point in 12-16 bars, you don't have anything of interest.



Living the rock star lifestyle... Any travel for business is not glamorous despite people thinking otherwise.

That's a lot of hate for one post. It must be some rarified air you breath. I bet you're a real party to hang with.

I personally love hearing and watching a musician play thier hear out. I don't have to love thier taste in music to love thier passion but I guess there are elitists in music just as there are in every other aspect of life. I would think artists would be a little more open minded about how other artists choose to express thier passion.

 

[GonePlaid]

There are a number of players that can do a very good and tasteful bass solo. IMHO they tend to be shorter and tend to be extensions of the groove. I'm thinking solos like Deacon's in Dragon Attack. And as much as I want to hate Billy Sheehan, his playing in Winery Dogs is great grooving and his solos are sort and simple.

What I really hate is the guys trying to do Eddie Van Halen on bass. Actually, for that matter, I really hate the guys trying to do Eddie Van Halen on guitar. Actually, I'm tired of Eddie Van Halen too. To my mind, Polonius had it right - brevity is the soul of wit. If you can't get to the point in 12-16 bars, you don't have anything of interest.



Living the rock star lifestyle... Any travel for business is not glamorous despite people thinking otherwise.

I used to be somewhat amused at the paucity of notes Santana played. At least, it was melodic, at best, fitting. These days it seems like players are getting paid 'by the note'. If ya run scales fast enough, it's hard to discern 'clams'. Once again showing my GOF-ness.

 

[Engle]

Everywhere I have seen a halon extinguisher, Dire Warnings were present.

Same here. I remember working at a telco central office and being told to get out immediately if it goes off.
I thought they stopped installing those systems.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

At reggae gigs, during a tune someone will call out "Drum an' bass!!". The band stops, and 'drummie' and I will hold it down solo for a few bars... just hanging on the groove of whatever tune we're in, staying deep, no leaving the building. It's an effective trick, to pare a tune down like that to its elements from out of nowhere.
Calling out "Riddim!!" means keys and guitar, the 'top' of the rhythm section, play a turn solo... drums out, the bottom is gone- just skanky, up-stroke chop, almost like wallpaper without the wall. Maybe a hit of delay or similar from the guitar to tail off over the top of the steady *chop of the rhythm...it's all about the pocket, like the old Studio One dub-style recordings: Lee Perry, King Tubby, etc. Fun to do live.

But no extended wankery.

those are all great reggae tricks to stretch the songs and create tension and release.....so simple yet so effective..

 

[Count Bassie]

That's a lot of hate for one post. It must be some rarified air you breath. I bet you're a real party to hang with.

I personally love hearing and watching a musician play thier hear out. I don't have to love thier taste in music to love thier passion but I guess there are elitists in music just as there are in every other aspect of life. I would think artists would be a little more open minded about how other artists choose to express thier passion.

Well that was unexpected... lol...

 

[Engle]

those are all great reggae tricks to stretch the songs and create tension and release.....so simple yet so effective..

For that matter deconstructing/reconstructing the groove works great in any genre. We all don’t need to be playing all the time!

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

For that matter deconstructing/reconstructing the groove works great in any genre. We all don’t need to be playing all the time!

silences are very powerful, to me deconstructing the groove implies changing the pattern by simplifying with less notes until you are left with the pivot note. in the mentioned case i just mean not playing at all!..

 

[GonePlaid]

silences are very powerful

 

[GBassNorth]

That's a lot of hate for one post. It must be some rarified air you breath. I bet you're a real party to hang with.

I personally love hearing and watching a musician play thier hear out. I don't have to love thier taste in music to love thier passion but I guess there are elitists in music just as there are in every other aspect of life. I would think artists would be a little more open minded about how other artists choose to express thier passion.

I'd pretty much second @PillO

An occasional short bass solo or lead in can add a lot to the song or the concert. Think John McVie on "Chains". Very tasteful, adds texture and dimension to the song without belaboring the point. The secret to success is being "occasional" and "short" on the bass solos.

When it gets to the point of "hey guys, look at our bass player, he has guitar chops too" I just tune out. If I want that kind of wankery I'll visit Guitar Center after the local high school lets out.

 

[Count Bassie]

For that matter deconstructing/reconstructing the groove works great in any genre. We all don’t need to be playing all the time!

Yes.

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

 

[Engle]

Update on my daughter’s (not really a punk)band:
They decided to call it “The Chili Joint”...

My daughter is now on vocals only and her friend (former band mate) is going to play bass. That girl brings great energy, but lives about 4 hours away, so yours truly gets to fill in at rehearsals when she’s not there.

I introduced them to this tune and they’re going to play it:

 

[Count Bassie]

Update on my daughter’s (not really a punk)band:
They decided to call it “The Chili Joint”...

My daughter is now on vocals only and her friend (former band mate) is going to play bass. That girl brings great energy, but lives about 4 hours away, so yours truly gets to fill in at rehearsals when she’s not there.

I introduced them to this tune and they’re going to play it:

Nice! First riff I learned on bass.

 

[Engle]

silences are very powerful, to me deconstructing the groove implies changing the pattern by simplifying with less notes until you are left with the pivot note. in the mentioned case i just mean not playing at all!..

Yeah you’re right. Both are effective and can be combined.

 

[PillO]

Same here. I remember working at a telco central office and being told to get out immediately if it goes off.
I thought they stopped installing those systems.

I have no claim to being up to date on fire suppression technologies, so I don't know if Halon is still current. In any environment that Halon is used as the fire suppressant, the advice is always get out. Not because of long term health consequences, but because it displaces oxygen and you will suffocate.

That's a lot of hate for one post. It must be some rarified air you breath. I bet you're a real party to hang with.

I personally love hearing and watching a musician play thier hear out. I don't have to love thier taste in music to love thier passion but I guess there are elitists in music just as there are in every other aspect of life. I would think artists would be a little more open minded about how other artists choose to express thier passion.

That is a lot of hate? Have you wandered into any of the flats vs. rounds, mixed driver, or pedal use religious wars? And if the air is rarified, it is because of all the Halon in use.

If you want to discuss EVH, I can understand why some like him; I used to. But, as a player, EVH never really progressed. IMHO, VH was successful because of DLR's song selection and influence. The old Motown and British invasion songs etc. that he wanted to emulate was what sold records.

As with all things here IMHO, YMMV

 

[Chucky Stiletti]

Update on my daughter’s (not really a punk)band:
They decided to call it “The Chili Joint”...

My daughter is now on vocals only and her friend (former band mate) is going to play bass. That girl brings great energy, but lives about 4 hours away, so yours truly gets to fill in at rehearsals when she’s not there.

I introduced them to this tune and they’re going to play it:

awesome! good to see youngins are playing that tune today.....now THERE's a tasty bass solo.....cool sliding double stops...

 

[PillO]

For that matter deconstructing/reconstructing the groove works great in any genre. We all don’t need to be playing all the time!

silences are very powerful, to me deconstructing the groove implies changing the pattern by simplifying with less notes until you are left with the pivot note. in the mentioned case i just mean not playing at all!..

I love Jeff Beck's playing and he always selects great musicians to play with. And one part of the reason is that he "leaves room for the song to breathe". And despite his name being on the banner, all the players get their time to shine (more than once). And the solos are short! If any solo (and instrument) is long enough that the rest of the band leaves the stage, you have lost my interest.

 

[Count Bassie]

Slight right turn...
Funny how after you've put some of your own fingerprint on an instrument, you warm up to it. I've got a Squier mutt someone put together for me, just charged me for the parts. Squier-II neck (mid-80s Samick factory, Korea, Maple board), Vint/Mod Agathis Jaguar body in glossy black, alnico'V p'ups. Custom wiring harness w/CTS pots and Switchcraft bits. Hipshot D-tuner.

Damn thing plays beautifully, strong output and clear, punchy sound. I've tried to not love it, but I kinda do. If the shoe fits, kick some sh!t with it I guess.

Still got a comfy and hopeful space saved in my quiver for a 'Bird, but she'll come along...