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Thunderbird Club

Tell me something. Other than the neck wood, what is the difference between the Epiphone vintage and vintage pro?

Where do you get that name (just "Vintage")? I'm guessing it's just someone using random words. I have seen that used for Vintage Pro, but also just for random Epiphone Thunderbirds.
 
Considering the writer/reviewer misspelled Teisco (Tesco???) I very much doubt he was quoted correctly on the year his T-bird was made. "yah, that's right.., it was a '59 T-bird... I used it to serenade Morgan Fairchild... that's the ticket!"

Oh, yeah. I was being sarcastic. I found it amusing, but wondered why the heck GP didn't fact check it!
 
Yeah, no, I get it. That’s why I said “I think I read to many...” Honestly I’ve seen as many who say it’s true as those who say it’s false. The best part about the internet is that we now know even less! :roflmao:

Over time, the wise learn where to look. For all things Thunderbird, this is the place.
 
As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out. In the mean time?


View attachment 3712556 I'll have to agree with GBassNorth. At the moment, the Babicz on this '18 "Bird is the current holder of the spot for The Worst, Most Irritating Bridge In My Herd. And with 23 basses (including a Rick 4001 and a 4003) and 7 guitars, there are Many contenders for that spot. Compared to this Babicz, the 3-point bridge on my '13 "Bird is a piece of cake to work with. And I'll take the Rube Goldberg one on my Alembic Epic over this thing any day. Hell, I prefer the ones on my Ricks...:rollno:
However... in all fairness, there may be something amiss with the one I have. I've watched a couple of videos about installing/setting one up, and... mine was nowhere near as easy as that. It took me 2 hours to change the strings on this 'Bird and get it even roughly playable. And I've been doing that kind of thing for a long, long time. As soon as I finish dealing with one of my violin basses, and change strings on a couple of others, I'm going to have to yank the Babicz off this bass. And take it apart. Then, maybe I can fix whatever is making it the pile of merde it is right now. I can see that it should be a really nice bridge. But, even if I can get it to work correctly, I'm honestly not convinced it's exactly a quantum leap in improvement over the 3 pointer...:whistle:
I have two different basses with Babs and they both work fine, I just don't really personally feel a need to flip out a perfectly functioning three pointer for one. I will also agree with you on the Alembic bridge, I have a couple of those as well and they are an odd design but still easier to dial in than a Bab.

There's a lot of creative bridge designs out there. The older Spector Euro is downright goofy. There aren't any intonation screws, you just loosen the string and then tap the saddle to the position you want. Very basic. Warwick is the other extreme, an overly complicated bridge that's probably in need of some serious value engineering. Then there's the Dano bridge with a single rosewood block for the saddles.

Considering the writer/reviewer misspelled Teisco (Tesco???) I very much doubt he was quoted correctly on the year his T-bird was made. "yah, that's right.., it was a '59 T-bird... I used it to serenade Morgan Fairchild... that's the ticket!"
The write up was interesting but the picture of the band included a friend of mine, guitarist John McFee (lower left corner) but never mentioned him in the write up.

I take 2 basses on every gig. My 67 NR and my Squire VM Jaguar SS in case there's no space on stage. Otherwise the Jag stays in the van. The long and short of it.
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Gotta love the little SS Jag. That split P is to die for (the Jazz pup is useless, but that's ok since I rarely use that pup any way). I dropped a John East preamp in mine and that precision pup just screams. Fun little bass.

Eureka, success! Babicz is on the NR. Took all of 20 minutes to remove the three-point and strings, check that the bolts for the Babicz were the correct ones, install it and restring, and set string height.

Surprise #1: Saddles were set at the correct position for intonation out of the package. E may be just a tad sharp...but not by much.

Surprise #2: Sustain is longer than with the stock three-point.


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Bottom string wraps are off the saddles. And look at all the saddle travel for adjustability.

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I like it. Some adjusting here and there this weekend and this bird is all set.
Looks nice! I found that I didn't need the spacer plate on mine. Taking it out allowed me to raise the saddle cams up higher for a better break angle. With the spacer in, my cams were nearly bottomed out.

How on earth were they pulled out with a Hipshot???
The Hipshot is a great match for the Eppi where you have raised shoulder bridge insert anchors. It has a recess in the bottom plate for those shoulders. If you use it on the Gibby where the bridge insert anchors are flush mounted you run the risk of partially extracting the inserts from the body if you over tighten. Stick to the Babicz on the Gibby if you don't like the stock bridge.