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The First Heavy metal song?


I put forth an argument for that in a discussion in here a few thousand pages ago. Recorded in Fall of ‘68. There were other candidates as I recall. It was at least the most popular in its day of the hard edged music that came out following Tet, the assassinations of Martin and Bobby and the mess in Chicago.
 
I recall two places I like when I lased visited Chicago close to 30 years ago. Walker Brothers (I think that's right), waffle house. Best Belgian Waffles I've ever had. Had pizza at a not very impressive looking little place as I recall that I think was called "De-something or other" or maybe it was Geno's. It was a pie and it was good! Super deep dish and about one piece was about all you could eat. I never saw a pizza with a "top" on it before.

I did not get a chance to play a Thunderbird while there.
Giordano's?
Chicago's Famous Stuffed Deep Dish Pizza | Giordano's

Yum!
 
Weird name, but cool looks. How does it play and sound?

Yeah, the name doesn't really make sense to me. Needs a good setup and new strings, but plays and sounds good as is. More than likely I will eject the active EMG's for a new set of Geezer's I have been waiting to use. These were passive when they hit the market so I am pretty sure the pickups are not original to the bass. That and the spot where the battery rests is clean, raw wood as opposed to every other surface under the guard. I have always had a soft spot for these basses and I got a good deal so went for it.
 
Yeah, the name doesn't really make sense to me. Needs a good setup and new strings, but plays and sounds good as is. More than likely I will eject the active EMG's for a new set of Geezer's I have been waiting to use. These were passive when they hit the market so I am pretty sure the pickups are not original to the bass. That and the spot where the battery rests is clean, raw wood as opposed to every other surface under the guard. I have always had a soft spot for these basses and I got a good deal so went for it.
Congrats!
 
No kidding, my Tele bass sat in Pittsburgh for a week past when it was supposed to arrive, with no tracking updates. But it did finally arrive:

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Pretty awesome dude...hows it feel? Talk about the other end of the spectrum as far as bass design goes lol. Looks wise, can’t go wrong with blondes with maple necks imho..
 
Pretty awesome dude...hows it feel? Talk about the other end of the spectrum as far as bass design goes lol. Looks wise, can’t go wrong with blondes with maple necks imho..

It actually feels great. Had to do a setup when it first arrived, adjusted the truss rod and shimmed the neck, and now the action plays fast and low, despite the baseball bat size of the neck. I mean, I've played Precisions for years, and prefer the 1.75" nut width, but the depth of the profile on this is surprising. The slab body I adjusted to on the Greco and BaCH, so no big difference there. It is also a very aggressive bass, with a wide frequency response for just that little single coil. Completely loving it thus far, can't wait to pair it with the Hiwatt. It's only my 2nd vintage bass after the 1962 EB-3, which, while lovely, isn't quite as useful as this (it does its one thing very well, and is actually currently on loan to a good friend of mine who's using it on an album and tour when that can happen again).
 
LOL - keep in mind he also thought Yoko would be a great vocal addition to the band. Nope, not even a contender in the birth of Heavy Metal.

All my searching uncovered Iron Butterfly singing In A Gadda Divida in April of 1967 (possibly even earlier than that) with record releases in early 1968, very close to Black Sabbath launching their Metal tunes on their second album in 1968 also. It kinda comes down to wether or not you consider Gadda hard enough to be Metal (IMHO In 1968 it was viewed as a clear departure from just about anything else that was being played). At that same time in musical history, the Beatles had just released "All You Need is Love" (not exactly Heavy Metal, Metal or even Hard Rock). I think the first ones to cross the line were IB followed very closely by BS and then by LZ and DP.

But any way you look at it, 1968 was a great year for music and a great year for muscle cars!

The First Heavy metal song?


Great question, not sure there's a definitive answer we'd all agree on but I did quite a bit of research the topic a couple of years ago. See my post from 2018 above (referencing a claim that Day Tripper was the first heavy metal song - LOL). As best I can tell Iron Butterfly released the first heavy metal song with "In A Gadda Divida". Heck, they even had a metal in their name and for 1967/68 it was pretty heavy music. It beats Helter Skelter on releases by about 6 months (or over a year if you count live performances of the song prior to a recorded release as recalled by Jeff Beck).

I put forth an argument for that in a discussion in here a few thousand pages ago. Recorded in Fall of ‘68. There were other candidates as I recall. It was at least the most popular in its day of the hard edged music that came out following Tet, the assassinations of Martin and Bobby and the mess in Chicago.
I think Iron Butterfly was it by a hair, followed closely by Black Sabbath then Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple. I just don't see the Beatles in the mix as a group but they did have Helter Skelter about 6 months after the epic Iron Butterfly release.
 
It actually feels great. Had to do a setup when it first arrived, adjusted the truss rod and shimmed the neck, and now the action plays fast and low, despite the baseball bat size of the neck. I mean, I've played Precisions for years, and prefer the 1.75" nut width, but the depth of the profile on this is surprising. The slab body I adjusted to on the Greco and BaCH, so no big difference there. It is also a very aggressive bass, with a wide frequency response for just that little single coil. Completely loving it thus far, can't wait to pair it with the Hiwatt. It's only my 2nd vintage bass after the 1962 EB-3, which, while lovely, isn't quite as useful as this (it does its one thing very well, and is actually currently on loan to a good friend of mine who's using it on an album and tour when that can happen again).
Right on. Thought it was a P at first and looked it up cause I’ve never seen a Tele bass with a single coil instead of the mudbucker. I want one now. Is it a four saddle bridge?
 
lol Growing up in Alaska, if it was round and flat it was pizza. That was my introduction to Hawaiian Pizza Now that I am in the Chicago area I have become biased and far more picky.
My introduction to Chicago style pan pizza was in the mid 1980's. I was on a business trip in Chicago and decided to run out quick for bite between meetings. I didn't have a lot of time so I figured a pizza place would be a quick in and out affair.

IIRC the nearest one was called Genoe's and was only about a block away. So I hoofed it over there and walked in the door. It was dark and kinda sketchy looking, had to go down some stairs from the street level into a basement like location. The tables had everybody's engravings in them and the walls were plastered with signed photos and news clippings.

I ordered a personal size pizza with every meat they had. Was kinda shocked when they brought it out to me in a skillet. It must have been two inches thick, I could only eat one slice before I had to run to catch my afternoon meeting. I took the remainder in a doggy bag and had it for dinner later that evening - the personal size was easily two meals and tasted every bit as good cold as it did hot. It left quite an impression on me, I had never seen a pizza prepared that way before, and it tasted sooooo good!
 
My introduction to Chicago style pan pizza was in the mid 1980's. I was on a business trip in Chicago and decided to run out quick for bite between meetings. I didn't have a lot of time so I figured a pizza place would be a quick in and out affair.

IIRC the nearest one was called Genoe's and was only about a block away. So I hoofed it over there and walked in the door. It was dark and kinda sketchy looking, had to go down some stairs from the street level into a basement like location. The tables had everybody's engravings in them and the walls were plastered with signed photos and news clippings.

I ordered a personal size pizza with every meat they had. Was kinda shocked when they brought it out to me in a skillet. It must have been two inches thick, I could only eat one slice before I had to run to catch my afternoon meeting. I took the remainder in a doggy bag and had it for dinner later that evening - the personal size was easily two meals and tasted every bit as good cold as it did hot. It left quite an impression on me, I had never seen a pizza prepared that way before, and it tasted sooooo good!
Growing up in FL all we had was NY style pizza...then UNO’s showed up and no one was ever the same again..
 
Great question, not sure there's a definitive answer we'd all agree on but I did quite a bit of research the topic a couple of years ago. See my post from 2018 above (referencing a claim that Day Tripper was the first heavy metal song - LOL). As best I can tell Iron Butterfly released the first heavy metal song with "In A Gadda Divida". Heck, they even had a metal in their name and for 1967/68 it was pretty heavy music. It beats Helter Skelter on releases by about 6 months (or over a year if you count live performances of the song prior to a recorded release as recalled by Jeff Beck).


I think Iron Butterfly was it by a hair, followed closely by Black Sabbath then Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple. I just don't see the Beatles in the mix as a group but they did have Helter Skelter about 6 months after the epic Iron Butterfly release.
Saw the original IB lineup at what was then called "Metrozoo" in Miami, 1982-ish(?). Very interesting crowd.:wideyed: