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IMO, the bridge was the worst part of the VP I owned.

Well, yes... as anyone who owned a '60s T-bird knows the bridge was an issue preventing correct intonation. That's why Scott's Badbird exists. ;) I have a pile of 3-point bridges in a box somewhere if anyone needs one.

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Yeah, I was meaning to get the velcro done, but I got involved with the new strings on the VP, then working with the Triple Shot....I really should just wait 'til the last pedal shows up, I guess (footswitch for the Peavey).


Long-winded-ness? ensues below...:unsure:


As far as comparing the CP & the VP...they're pretty similar, in some ways. The VP is a bit lighter (mostly because of the bridge, imo), and sounds a bit brighter.
Putting the brass nut on the CP brought their sound a bit closer, and if I changed out the tone pot on the CP for the standard 500k, might not be a huge difference, sound-wise.

Physically, the body's the same, save for the larger headstock on the VP, so playability is essentially the same.

I do think the Schaller tuners on the CP operate a bit more smoothly than the Wilkinsons on the VP.

The balance is totally different between the two. The CP, with its smaller headstock, lighter tuners, and heavier bridge, is definitely weighted towards the rear; the VP is mostly neutral, maybe just very (very) slightly headstock heavy.

And the bridge....not a gigantic fan of the two piece. It looks cool & vintage correct, works fine, but has some limitations. Those DR reds I just put on - the 105 E-string is pretty much the largest that will fit in the claw, without mods (or tapered strings, I guess?). Tried the 125 B-string that came in the set, just for the funs, wasn't happening.
Adjustability is somewhat challenging/limited, imo the 3-point is better in that regard.
Those of you that have one know that the Babicz is heavy, has tons of adjustability, and is designed so those adjustments can be made easily. And you can put larger strings on very easily - I had a 130 Roto 77 one the CP for a while, fit beautifully with no mods needed to the saddle or the...string retaining area? :thumbsdown:

I do like both bridges, for different reasons. But if Babicz started making their two-piece replacements for bass also, I'd strongly consider the swap.



But my opinions on bridges may be suspect, since I actually like the three-point...:bag:




I think, if someone likes to tinker, like me, and have the CP or similar already, or can get it cheap, the researching, shopping for, buying, & doing the mods is fun, and you can tweak the bass to suit yourself.
But it's not as cost effective as just buying a VP, so if you don't actively want to do/like doing mods, I'd say buy the VP, and have a great sounding & playing bass :)




Hopefully all that over long expository exposition comes close to answering what you asked? :cautious:

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Great explication!
 
Why was that? Beyond the limited adjustability?
That's my only minor issue. Mine intonates fine, but at times I do like being able to adjust string height individually, as much to adjust/balance string volume as playability. That's one of the things I love about the Hipshot on the '06 (and the Precision pickup being so adjustable).
 
That's my only minor issue. Mine intonates fine, but at times I do like being able to adjust string height individually, as much to adjust/balance string volume as playability. That's one of the things I love about the Hipshot on the '06 (and the Precision pickup being so adjustable).

I put up with my '64 as-is for years w/o noticing a difference. (and anyone in the audiences or recording didn't notice either) I'll chalk it up to becoming more educated about set-up and developing a keener ear over the years. Once you know, that becomes the standard. So Scott's BB bridge fixed that bridges issue. Intoning a bass (correctly) is usually the last adjustment on a new bass build and it's all always very satisfying to achieve that. :bassist:
 
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I find the stock Three point to be a functionally adequate bridge that can be set up and dialed in very quickly but looks kind of utilitarian. The two piece VP is as quick to set up and IMHO looks much sleeker and retro but it does have intonation and string size limitations the others don't have. The Hipshot gives the TBird a unique look and really fits the Goth theme and center block very well. However, all my other birds have a slightly smaller center block that make the Hipshot a poor fit. Functionally I found it a bit quicker to dial in than the Babicz (not quite as quick as the three point) but also found it to be even more prone to pulling out the body studs than the stock Three point (I ended up Fenderizing my Hipshot to make it stay in place). The Babicz is an engineering marvel of a bridge and a very unique design. IMHO it looks a bit clunky and massive on the sleek TBird body, but in a cool Doc Martin clodhopper kind of way. The modified two piece three point of the Greco kinda solves the vintage look issue but creates a new problem. Because of the claw tailpiece the Greco Three point bridge does not have string tension to hold it in place, just downward force string pressure, so it can and does slip backwards a bit over time effecting intonation.

Bottom line - the three point works just fine for me and I wouldn't bother flipping it out for any other bridge, if I want a vintage look I'll just follow the Greco lead and drop in a claw tail then cover the offensive looking Three point with a bridge cover.

(...And you thought you had a wordy response, got ya beat there).

Yeah, pretty much the same. I've never used the Hipshot, but it looks to have standard adjustments that most high-mass/aftermarket bridges have? I do think it looks good on certain 'birds, certain color schemes, etc.

If I needed to replace a bridge again, or upgrade a stocker on a different type of bass, I'd probably go with the Babicz again. I really like how the adjustments are made, how the screws are offset from the strings for easier access.

For the VP bridge, if they made this to fit a bass, & used with the original claw...:thumbsup:

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(sigh) Those are so gorgeous.

What specifically do you like about those strings (besides their hot looks)?

When I switched the original strings out today, I did some recordings of the new & original strings to compare (no, I'm not going to post them! :p ), and the sound is very similar; the coated strings may be slightly less treble-y (it's a real word?).

But they're quite a bit quieter, from a finger noise standpoint, and feel less rough. I loved the way they sounded on the CP, figured I'd give them a go on the VP. So far, totally NOT disappointed :smug:


Plus, as you said, they look awesome with the chrome & white, and turn neon under a blacklight :thumbsup:
 
Been a long day. Found a nice 2011 Jeep Wrangler/Sahara package with 94k miles for 19,000. Clean report three owners and they really didnt drive it that much. Wanted to sleep on it last night. Went back in and they said someone bought it twenty minutes after I left. Might be a sign. So the search continued to day and instead of a jeep I found a Subaru Forester with 30k miles for just over 20k. So I bought that instead. Now I gotta get rid of a non driving truck. Anyone need a truck on the cheap? Lol
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I put up with my '64 as-is for years w/o noticing a difference. (and anyone in the audiences or recording didn't notice either) I'll chalk it up to becoming more educated about set-up and developing a keener ear over the years. Once you know, that becomes the standard. So Scott's BB bridge fixed that bridges issue. Intoning a bass (correctly) is usually the last adjustment on a new bass build and it's all always very satisfying to achieve that. :bassist:
My '64 isn't perfect either and I can tolerate it given that where I tend to play isn't affected. Maybe I'm lazy or I just don't focus on something that no one will notice but me and therefore deem that lower on the priority list. Likely both! As for the VP we were talking about, I've yet to run into a problem with it. I can get everything set right on both as I recall. I've had basses that you never could get right where it matters and they drove me crazy. I don't have those basses any longer, so I have my limits!:D
 
Been a long day. Found a nice 2011 Jeep Wrangler/Sahara package with 94k miles for 19,000. Clean report three owners and they really didnt drive it that much. Wanted to sleep on it last night. Went back in and they said someone bought it twenty minutes after I left. Might be a sign. So the search continued to day and instead of a jeep I found a Subaru Forester with 30k miles for just over 20k. So I bought that instead. Now I gotta get rid of a non driving truck. Anyone need a truck on the cheap? LolView attachment 4139110
Nice!

As for getting rid of the truck, try a drummer's forum......;):D
 
I put up with my '64 as-is for years w/o noticing a difference. (and anyone in the audiences or recording didn't notice either) I'll chalk it up to becoming more educated about set-up and developing a keener ear over the years. Once you know, that becomes the standard. So Scott's BB bridge fixed that bridges issue. Intoning a bass (correctly) is usually the last adjustment on a new bass build and it's all always very satisfying to achieve that. :bassist:
went through the same thing so got a BB as well, problem solved. outstanding piece of machined hardware (go Scott!)....the BaCH bridge is also a good compromise imho.....
 
Who'd you order through?

Sweetwater, I have a guy there I've worked with before on quite a few basses (most for Uwe) and I just gave him a link to it from a new gear page and told him to get me an Inverness Green one, top of the list please.
 
Been a long day. Found a nice 2011 Jeep Wrangler/Sahara package with 94k miles for 19,000. Clean report three owners and they really didnt drive it that much. Wanted to sleep on it last night. Went back in and they said someone bought it twenty minutes after I left. Might be a sign. So the search continued to day and instead of a jeep I found a Subaru Forester with 30k miles for just over 20k. So I bought that instead. Now I gotta get rid of a non driving truck. Anyone need a truck on the cheap? LolView attachment 4139110


Much SUBIE LOVE here!

My two are the best cars ever, the '99 has 260K now, the '06 145K - damn near indestructible cars.
 
Sweetwater, I have a guy there I've worked with before on quite a few basses (most for Uwe) and I just gave him a link to it from a new gear page and told him to get me an Inverness Green one, top of the list please.

T-bird V(I)P :bassist:
 
Been a long day. Found a nice 2011 Jeep Wrangler/Sahara package with 94k miles for 19,000. Clean report three owners and they really didnt drive it that much. Wanted to sleep on it last night. Went back in and they said someone bought it twenty minutes after I left. Might be a sign. So the search continued to day and instead of a jeep I found a Subaru Forester with 30k miles for just over 20k. So I bought that instead. Now I gotta get rid of a non driving truck. Anyone need a truck on the cheap? LolView attachment 4139110

Cars are utilitarian tools. Sounds like you found a good one. :thumbsup: