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true giant monster rigs

#341
dakpluto said:
Dear god....I think I'd be deaf by the end of the first concert with that rig, lol.

Funny part is I used to be about the big things and over the years, have actually gone 180 to the dead opposite. Small rigs and in-ear monitors. I've done shows lately with no amp at all.

But in no way do I disregard the large rigs or anything. I do think a pure tone is a great thing as opposed to the smaller modeled sounds. It's just for me simplicity has become important.

Of course if I could have the people doing the lugging and setup for me...... :D
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+1...I totally agree about simplicity:smug:
 
#342
espositod said:
Johnny, it's so cool that you take the time to give back! So few remember their roots--that they are people and bass players before they are stars--and that's what creates the many boundaries that hurt the industry. Stay cool!
Although I will never have a rig that cool, I'm doing the best I can with what's available, and I consider myself fortunate to be where I'm at--just playing in a few bands here and there, doing gigs when I'm needed and enjoying every minute of it! Currently, I run through one SVT rig in my band with two guitarists & I use two stacks (one clean / one effected) in my other band with one guitar player. Bi-amping with the second rig really fills-in the space when the guitarist goes to solo.
One last thing, Johnny. I'm nobody, and I'm sure you have your own preferences, but you would not believe how much better you can hear with in-ear monitor systems. I played for years with standard wedge monitors, but it wasn't until I purchased my Shure monitor system that I could truly hear what was going on. And it was even clearer and better after I converted my entire band to do the same! Trust me--your hearing, your playing, and your vocals are top notch now, but you have absolutely no idea what your true potential is until you transition into the realm of in-ear monitors!
Peace-out Johnny! :)
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what is the thingie that makes your bass flooooat! :hyper:
 
#345
staindbass said:
yes, they were made at different times, thus the different front and rear loads.:eyebrow: too bad i didnt think of that first. i have almost switched them , but been too lazy,lol. two 8 ohm speakers, wired paralell in each,giving 4 ohms. with a 10 uf mundorf cap on the tweeter. 2 cabs on each crown in paralell, 2 ohm load. johnny
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are the crowns separated?? one crown for the 18 cabs and one for the 8x10s??

and the big question is..

just exactly how much volume do you actually use on stage?? i.e. how hard do you actually push it??
 
#346
Magman said:
Yeah....the power of computers and software is incredible, but
I'd rather just deal with it in the studio....I just used freeform fx...nowadays I'm playing 'normal' bass (abnormally perhaps ;-) with a drummer and activate drones and chords via the digitech jamman pedal. Havn't bothered to get too far with the looping...using a korg ax3000b for fx on the bass on one or two songs.
If we were playing larger shows I'd like to be able to say be playing a song...and send off some of the bass signal to a processing chain and then mix that in as required and have a dynamic organic 'synth' available as it were....but the fact is we are not Rush with a bunch of roadies to keep everything under control.
I hate that feeling when you've just set up a rig on stage and then nothing comes out....supposed to have started playing 5 minutes ago...next band are on in half an hour.....suddenly the troubleshooting pressure is on......
I guess I'm finding simplicity is important...I stopped carting a rack around because it was damn heavy and again.....troubleshooting became an issue.

I don't want to sound all down on this stuff...just for me I don't like laptops on stage at the mo. It seems like someone needs to develop a stage ready PC with a dedicated operating system and visual display unit, and inbuilt sound IO/MIDI etc. Just plug and play, and full support for vsts and win32 apps etc. Receptor is one approach but VDU is an issue.
It could have speaker management stuff in it as well.....maybe do everything.....
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I know what you mean. The music I am trying to create pretty much makes it a necessity though. I'm messing with guitar synth and they are PC based synth sounds. Also the routing in Ableton is so flexible. I have my guitar sound coming out of my amp and the guitar synth coming out a different sound source (stereo or PA). Also for looping I can alternate looping guitar, guitar synth, keys, drum machine, etc by hitting one button. The effects on programs like guitar rig and the delays in NI's Spektral Delay are very unique. You simply can't do alot of this stuff without a PC. A company called MUSE makes a VST Rack mount but for me, it's better to just rackmount my PC instead of learning that GUI and operating system. I have to say though, my set-up is pretty stable now. The biggest challenge (aside from getting it all working) is learning to apply it all and incorporating it into my musical style. There's so many possibilities with looping, using your instrument to trigger synth sounds, and drum pads. I think my 9-5 job makes this all a rather slow process...lol. I hand it to that guy on staind that posts here. It is admirable to follow your dream and be so committed to it and focused.
 
#349
staindbass said:
hey, i would love to check it out, but im snobby and to me there is a difference between a bass rig, and a bunch lil rigs put together pretending to be a big rig. its more like a convoy or managerie lol. please take no offence. the phasing/timing differences between all those ports and different speakers seems frightening :hiding: but what the heck, i bet its loud ! johnny a
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Ain't my rig, no offense taken.
 
#351
lol got a laugh when i saw this, not mine but its amazingly funny!!! lol oh and its Jake Schultz from Norma Jean

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#353
staindbass said:
yes, they were made at different times, thus the different front and rear loads.:eyebrow: too bad i didnt think of that first. i have almost switched them , but been too lazy,lol. two 8 ohm speakers, wired paralell in each,giving 4 ohms. with a 10 uf mundorf cap on the tweeter. 2 cabs on each crown in paralell, 2 ohm load. johnny
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I notice you don't bother micing up the wimpy 10s ;) :D

How much PA support do you use? I am surprised you don't run a second set of mics as a backup or can you run without the PA?
 
#356
I've had the copy of November's BP in my truck for a couple of weeks now, and just today realized I forgot to read it. Nice interview!! My only complaint is that they should do a multi page story highlighting your ideas about tone and live setup with photos of your rig. The box listing the gear you use does no where near the justice your giant deserves.
 
#357
staindbass said:
the rigs of doom are great, and the mini doom rigs too. this is the thread to post only the true giants rarely seen. this is my frankenstein creation, the faces on other pro bassists when they check out my rig is worth the 16,000$ price tag.,lol. you might have sold more records than my band, but u dont have a badder bass rig, havent seen it yet. im sure there is one somewhere... and i have two complete rigs, one for the usa, and one for overseas. steve d, bigwig at ampeg, always comes out to see it when we play st louis. and i ask if he has seen a badder rig. the answer is still no. there are for 18 inch evx subs, run full range. they are suprisingly clear up to about 900 hz. the jbl horns are crossed 6db slope at 1000hz with mundorf capacitors from germany. the 8x10 are the older svt pro cabs, they dont make em anymore. the handle 1500w rms, and the cabinet is the same svt size, only about 6 inches deeper. it adds a few cubic feet to the cab. honestly the older svt cabs have better tone, the cones are lighter, and they are clearer. fortunatly the horns make up for that. the 18" cabs were custom made for me by ampeg. check out all the pimpy chrome logos. i requested those. i can hear the people getting ready to post 'overkill',lol. unless somtimes you sing at the mic up to 35 feet from your amp on a headlining gig, (yeah, i have to feel the bass to sing the right note) and you are battling four double stacks , and a double stack from two guitarpayers with thier chainsaw rigs, you kinda respectfully are not in the league to comment,lmao. i refuse to put my instrument thru a sidefill that does not sound as good as my rig, period. heres a few pics and maybe a little more description. i hesitated to post this rig. i looked at all your rigs of doom and they are wonderful, and hard earned. i would have killed to have one of those 15 years ago. i never even thought id even be able to afford an svt, i just got lucky. check it out. ;) johnny a. staind.
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What are you powering it with?
 
#358
blowinblue said:
I'm impressed with BIG rigs as much as the next guy. But there is a catch. It's kind of like the 'no pics, no gear' rule. No matter how big a rig is, if you can't load it in, set it up, load it out, and haul it all by yourself...it doesn't count. Sorry. :eyebrow:;):)

M. M.
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That must be your rule. If you are in a band that has roadies, good for you!

The biggest rig I personally have played was a friends. The rig was an SWR SM900 with it's power used to power 2 SWR 4x10, and a Crown microtech running two SWR Big Bens. Christ, that was a smoking rig.
 
#359
Hello, fellow ape amp players. I've had an SVT 4 pro for about a year now. Got my pr410hlf with it but don't really use it live anymore. I've since added. The visable head was a loaner...the 4 pro is in a rack behind the cabs. Thinking about picking up a Blue Line.

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yeah, the ape amp is an inside if you're wondering. Our guitarist plays an ampeg stack so I blacked out some of his letters with electrical tape. Ampeg Ampeg
 
#360
staindbass said:
well gee, i have. i gave away a free 18 inch exv on this site the other day. some other dude posted on wether he should buy a bass effect pedal or a metronome, (i was disgusted, the metronme is 10x as important) i told him if he would promise not to buy a pedal, i would send him a free new drum machine. he never replied... awhile back i was in my local music store. this 17 year old kid was playing a guitar like a pro ! he did not know who i was, i asked him how long he played, complimented him. he told me he is working a job and paying it monthly, he goes in every saturday morning to visit andplay his layaway guitar. what did i do ? i went to the register and paid for the rest of the guitar, told him who i was, and handed him his fully paid receit. i thought he was going to cry,lol. and i have a new staind fan. some street musicians are excellent. you shoud see thier face when i drop a $100 bill in thier guitar case . i can tell who practices and who dont, i have given away basses, amps, strings, bags of picks,.. i used to be a poor dishwasher, 16-17 grand a year. i enjoyplaying santa clause sometimes, but please dont try to guilt me into it. i have shared. johnny a
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Johnny, that is awesome. I really commend you for spreading the wealth, so to speak. The folks who bad mouth you, or your rig need a relaity check. Here you are, a guy who has paid his dues, makes it big, you are friendly and charitable, and people give you a hard time...they suck.

I for one would love to play your rig...that would awesome! A bass blast extrordinaire. Frankly, for the type of music Staind does, I am not sure what you could do better rigwise.

Mark
 

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