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Turbosound IP2000 Review
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Man, that is such a bummer. Sorry to hear.
Have you tried this.
Given what has been discussed earlier in the thread about random distortion, I think running the outputs hot is a good strategy.
I am a solo acoustic performer and had been having issues with the crackling too. Here is my two cents for how I got the max volume just up to the point before it crackles through trial and error. Hopefully that level is adequate for your needs. Forgive me for my lack of technical jargon, im a layman sound guy.
For my troubleshooting I hold the mic in hand and wail into it lips right up on it to really push the limits, yeah yeah, uhh huh, heh heh, ahhh haaa!!!! About as loud as I could ever imagine signing live.
My gear in the chain is:
Shure Beta 58A mic
TC Helicon Acoustic Play
Behringer XENYX1202FX Mixer
Turbosound ip2000
First I set the gear in the chain before going into the Turbosound as follows:
TC Acoustic Play (More Comp NG - with noise gate on ) I found compressed setting to cause the least distortion when it could distort. No Mic boost. The device has a clipping light so I go loud and set the input volume on the side make sure no clipping there. There may be other settings in the unit that affect things overall but technically you could take your vocal processor out and get it dialed in without and then add it last and tweak.
Next in the chain is the mixer. I ended up with the input gain for the mic (small black knob) set pretty low. There is a clipping light for that on the mixer so I sing loud and turn it down until I can't make the red clipping light show up. EQ on the channel is set even 12 noon for bass, mid and treble. Low cut on.
Now for the white mic level knob at the bottom of the channel. That one has a clipping light that shows up in the main section if you overdo it. I ended up finding that High noon works well there.
Mind you all of this can be accomplished without even having a speaker on. Your just pushing the gear to find the clipping points and backing off them enough to make sure they don't clip at any point.
Next I put the Main Section slider all the way up to dead on [0]. That will be pretty much my Max Volume that the turbosound can take while im at max singing volume without crackling.
The mixer has a right and left output. I put the left output to channel A on my turbosound and the right output to input b. I believe that if you don't use input B as well as A you don't get the max volume out of the unit.
Now on to the Turbosound. If you don't know, there is a clipping indicator on the main screen that says IP2000. It is a little rectangle that pops up in the lower right corner. I also noticed that indeed it starts to crackle when you see that rectangle show up indicating clipping. I cleared up this point by dialing down the input decibels for input A and B. I ended up at -8.0. This is again was found by trial and error wailing into the mic like a lunatic. When you back out to the main screen during adjustments and see no rectangle popping up on the main screen you have that part right. With things set this way, I could take the main volume of the Turbosound all the way to 10 (max). I have very little audible hiss even cranked to 10. I have the internal EQ on the Club setting by the way because it sounds the best for DJing in between sets off my phone. One more thing that I found that mattered. Even with input clipping handled, I could still get it to crackle just a little bit with the Turbosound on 10. So the final step was to leave it on 10 and adjust the other Turbosound EQ B -5/M -8/T -5 down below 0 for each until it wouldnt crackle. You could play with that to your taste but that sounded best for my vocals and setup to my ear. Position is set for Floor on mine.
So that's it, at the end of the day you may or may not be satisfied with the max volume you can achieve without crackling, but using a similar method to what I did above will get you right to the edge. I don't have a db tester so I don't know what I'm getting but its plenty of volume for bar gigs and I no longer have to sing standing on eggshells afraid im gonna crackle out and cringe in the middle of a rockstar moment! I can dig in and I know its gonna come through without distortion.
I hope this helps someone! I am NOT a pro sound guy, this is what worked for me to get the most out of the speaker.
Oh yeah and setup like this I just use my mixer main slider to adjust gigging volume and always have it at or below the middle of the [0] setting at the top. You could obviously dial down the Turbosound master volume from 10 as another option for adjusting main volume down if its too loud (and usually is too loud for places I play).
For my troubleshooting I hold the mic in hand and wail into it lips right up on it to really push the limits, yeah yeah, uhh huh, heh heh, ahhh haaa!!!! About as loud as I could ever imagine signing live.
My gear in the chain is:
Shure Beta 58A mic
TC Helicon Acoustic Play
Behringer XENYX1202FX Mixer
Turbosound ip2000
First I set the gear in the chain before going into the Turbosound as follows:
TC Acoustic Play (More Comp NG - with noise gate on ) I found compressed setting to cause the least distortion when it could distort. No Mic boost. The device has a clipping light so I go loud and set the input volume on the side make sure no clipping there. There may be other settings in the unit that affect things overall but technically you could take your vocal processor out and get it dialed in without and then add it last and tweak.
Next in the chain is the mixer. I ended up with the input gain for the mic (small black knob) set pretty low. There is a clipping light for that on the mixer so I sing loud and turn it down until I can't make the red clipping light show up. EQ on the channel is set even 12 noon for bass, mid and treble. Low cut on.
Now for the white mic level knob at the bottom of the channel. That one has a clipping light that shows up in the main section if you overdo it. I ended up finding that High noon works well there.
Mind you all of this can be accomplished without even having a speaker on. Your just pushing the gear to find the clipping points and backing off them enough to make sure they don't clip at any point.
Next I put the Main Section slider all the way up to dead on [0]. That will be pretty much my Max Volume that the turbosound can take while im at max singing volume without crackling.
The mixer has a right and left output. I put the left output to channel A on my turbosound and the right output to input b. I believe that if you don't use input B as well as A you don't get the max volume out of the unit.
Now on to the Turbosound. If you don't know, there is a clipping indicator on the main screen that says IP2000. It is a little rectangle that pops up in the lower right corner. I also noticed that indeed it starts to crackle when you see that rectangle show up indicating clipping. I cleared up this point by dialing down the input decibels for input A and B. I ended up at -8.0. This is again was found by trial and error wailing into the mic like a lunatic. When you back out to the main screen during adjustments and see no rectangle popping up on the main screen you have that part right. With things set this way, I could take the main volume of the Turbosound all the way to 10 (max). I have very little audible hiss even cranked to 10. I have the internal EQ on the Club setting by the way because it sounds the best for DJing in between sets off my phone. One more thing that I found that mattered. Even with input clipping handled, I could still get it to crackle just a little bit with the Turbosound on 10. So the final step was to leave it on 10 and adjust the other Turbosound EQ B -5/M -8/T -5 down below 0 for each until it wouldnt crackle. You could play with that to your taste but that sounded best for my vocals and setup to my ear. Position is set for Floor on mine.
So that's it, at the end of the day you may or may not be satisfied with the max volume you can achieve without crackling, but using a similar method to what I did above will get you right to the edge. I don't have a db tester so I don't know what I'm getting but its plenty of volume for bar gigs and I no longer have to sing standing on eggshells afraid im gonna crackle out and cringe in the middle of a rockstar moment! I can dig in and I know its gonna come through without distortion.
I hope this helps someone! I am NOT a pro sound guy, this is what worked for me to get the most out of the speaker.
Oh yeah and setup like this I just use my mixer main slider to adjust gigging volume and always have it at or below the middle of the [0] setting at the top. You could obviously dial down the Turbosound master volume from 10 as another option for adjusting main volume down if its too loud (and usually is too loud for places I play).
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I have 2 IP2000's, never the crackling sound. One did have a loose screw which was easily remedied. I wonder if some are having issues with gain structure. If so, this is a great tutorial for newbees.
Great video, thanks. I do consider myself a newbie when it comes to live sound gear. This validates that my configuration above is sensible. My "signal processor"(TC Acoustic Play) comes before the mixer is the only difference from the video. I choose to have the amplifier cranked up, but I am able to do that because the turbosound offers the ability to adjust down the input sensitivity as the video describes until the unit won't clip/crackle/distort at my loudest vocals, and it also has no hiss that way.
The main takeaway from this with regards to this particular unit that I didn't understand before is to bring down the input sensitivity until you do not see the clipping indicator pop up on the main screen. If you do that you can pretty much crank the thing to full master volume and it won't distort. If it does a little bit still at full volume (10), adjust down the EQ B/M/T parameters until you can't make it distort while giving your loudest vocals into the mic. Then use your mixer slider to come down from max volume as needed for the venue.
Most bars don't require anywhere near full volume. I haven't used it with a full band although I sometimes play with a full drum kit at outside venues and you definitely need it louder there. I think a full band warrants adding a second unit, one Turbosound ip2000 maybe wouldn't cut it. I've seen two of them in use with a full band.
I'm feeling much better about the purchase now of the turbosound ip2000. It sounds really good, it is just more sensitive to an improper gain setup than your typical PA speaker so you have to get it set right to avoid problems imo. The subwoofer really gives my sound a fullness you don't get with 12" PA speaker on a stand. With a drum kit we will sometimes mic the kick drum and it really thumps through that sub too.
I have 4 of them. I use all 4 when I mix my 11 piece band with 5 horns but those gigs are outside this time of year. I also have a 9 piece disco band that owns 2 of them that I mix. We only use their 2 units and the gigs are inside. I run the main out of the ip2000's at around 6 now .
Okay, I have read all of the posts (dating back for several months) but I am very late to this party.
Readers' Digest version - girl singer (mostly harmony but some lead vocals) was sick, so we picked up a young guy on guitar to replace her. New(er) songs, does harmony well, and everything worked out better than I could have imagined.
He brought his ip3000 rig to the gig. Okay.... I (bass) did not run through the p.a. that night, but everything else did, as normal. Keys, drums, (now) three guitars, fiddle, all vocals.
It was really nice. He told me afterward that his old band did not use amps on stage, and everything, including the bass, went through the system (2x12" subs on each side). I cannot help thinking how quick and easy it was set up and broken back down, and the sound was at least equal to our p.a. (15" tops, 18" subs) if not even more crisp.
I have been reading about you guys and your tips and comments, but this is the first time I have ever seen the Turbo ip series up close. He is bringing it again this weekend. Should be nice.
Readers' Digest version - girl singer (mostly harmony but some lead vocals) was sick, so we picked up a young guy on guitar to replace her. New(er) songs, does harmony well, and everything worked out better than I could have imagined.
He brought his ip3000 rig to the gig. Okay.... I (bass) did not run through the p.a. that night, but everything else did, as normal. Keys, drums, (now) three guitars, fiddle, all vocals.
It was really nice. He told me afterward that his old band did not use amps on stage, and everything, including the bass, went through the system (2x12" subs on each side). I cannot help thinking how quick and easy it was set up and broken back down, and the sound was at least equal to our p.a. (15" tops, 18" subs) if not even more crisp.
I have been reading about you guys and your tips and comments, but this is the first time I have ever seen the Turbo ip series up close. He is bringing it again this weekend. Should be nice.
I haven't gone to the ip3000's due to the weight. If you have followed my threads I have four of the ip2000's which makes things very versatile. I played NYE this week with a 5 piece band. It was a local Elks Club with maybe 75 people. I used tow of the i2000 systems with everything direct and no stage amps. Including me on bass. Sound was great. I imagine a pair of the ip3000's would be silly god but again they are to heavy for me. If that isn't an issue I would get a pair.
This might have been covered earlier in this thread, sorry if it has.
To those of you using these arrays with subs on aux sends, where do you set your crossover point?
To those of you using these arrays with subs on aux sends, where do you set your crossover point?
I occasionally have added a sub and cross it over at 100 hz. I may roll off the low just a tad on the IP2000 system.
Hi, New here, but am having issues with the bluetooth connection regarding Master/Slave connection. I follow the steps, get the verified M and S on each column, and even my ipad display changes as it should, showing master and slave. Problem is I only get signal to the master. The slave is not muted and I have the volume up enough that I would hear it. No signal shown on my ipad going into the slave. If I adjust balance left to right, just the master on one side, nothing on the other. I un-linked everything, shut everything down and switched my slave column to the master and did it all over again. Same thing. Only the master will put out sound (only now it's the other column, so both columns will put out sound on their own. Frustrated. Can anyone help?
I just want to say that I am here only to say THANK YOU for your extensive, and committed post replies you have done on this thread.
I was hesitant about the ip2000 vs ip3000 vs QSC tops / subs debate.. I tend to get a little too much involved in the research, and not enough in the ACTION.
You have made me a believer!!
I made it from page 1 to about page 7.. skipped to the last page to see your end result.
Thank you @musicman7722
Got them in the other day and had an indoor event for my job. I work at a homeless/at-risk non-profit in Tulsa.
Anyway —
Had 2 ip2000’s with an XR12 I borrowed from my church. Sennheiser G4 835 and a Yamaha S90. Threw a little reverb on the keys and vocals and it was BUTTER. Love these speakers.
Thinking ahead for my wallets sake.
What are some solid subs (I prefer keeping brands the same, but not opposed to combine for quality assurance) to pair with these for outside? Or should I double them up before adding an 18” or Two?
Anyway —
Had 2 ip2000’s with an XR12 I borrowed from my church. Sennheiser G4 835 and a Yamaha S90. Threw a little reverb on the keys and vocals and it was BUTTER. Love these speakers.
Thinking ahead for my wallets sake.
What are some solid subs (I prefer keeping brands the same, but not opposed to combine for quality assurance) to pair with these for outside? Or should I double them up before adding an 18” or Two?
Frankly I own 4 of these now. Two originals and two V2. I don't use external subs anymore.
