I have one that will be coming up for sale in a while. Shipping could be exxy though.
Myth. None of my recent MII builds are like this, and range from budget to expensive lines, and I don't read that on threads here from other people.
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I'm pretty sure we've discussed this before, though it was probably "pine"
When Asian produced instruments list "Basswood" on the spec sheet, they are not referring to American Basswood.
Basswood is just used as a familiar term.
They use local Linden trees like Tilia Chinensis, Tilia Mongolica or Tilia Tuan. The janka for those is 700 and upwards
I'm pretty sure we've discussed this before, though it was probably "pine"
When Asian produced instruments list "Basswood" on the spec sheet, they are not referring to American Basswood.
Basswood is just used as a familiar term.
They use local Linden trees like Tilia Chinensis, Tilia Mongolica or Tilia Tuan. The janka for those is 700 and upwards
I agree with this, but sap coming out the pores? Nah.
700 Janka is plenty hard for holding screws, and I'm not a big believer in tonewood, so if it is functional, then I'm all in.@58kites
I'm pretty sure we've discussed this before, though it was probably "pine"
When Asian produced instruments list "Basswood" on the spec sheet, they are not referring to American Basswood.
Basswood is just used as a familiar term.
They use local Linden trees like Tilia Chinensis, Tilia Mongolica or Tilia Tuan. The janka for those is 700 and upwards
When I refer to these woods, I am thinking about:
"Swamp" and "Northern" ash from USA (Fender, Peavey and others)
Red Alder from Western Unites States (Fender standard for a long time)
Yellow Poplar from Eastern United States (Peavey)
American Basswood from the Eastern and Northern Central United States (MusicMan)
I'm pretty ignorant of the specific woods used for Asian manufactured instruments.
My 2019 Squier CV 50's (54P) Precision Bass (made in Indonesia at Samick) is heavier than my Poplar Peaveys, but the body holds screws and the grain looks great.
Squier calls out Pine and Poplar depending on where you read their specs, I think it's some kind of Pine that looks good and is properly functional.
My 2010 Squier (72 Tele) Bass (made in Indonesia) has a body made with something soft and light and has an Ash Veneer to make it look great.
I bought it all taken apart from a guy who had stripped almost every screw hole in the body, but it was only $125 and it came with an extra Hipshot bridge in the bag of parts, so I made out great.
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^^ Meh. Lots of lack of knowledge, for example, fret sprout may have nothing to do with the dryness of the wood, but rather how it was shipped, especially as the duration of time from production to store in very different climactic areas. Also, as almost all necks are sealed with some sort of finish, how id he telling the sap is still coming out. Sounded like a mix of old wive's tales and confirmation bias.
Maybe...maybe not. I know that Yamaha takes pride in their wood curing technology and it seems to show up in the quality of their instruments. I live in Colorado and have had new basses that had fret sprout within a 4-6 month period. I don't think it's a shipping method -- more of a settling period. I've even experienced this on basses that had wenge necks and fretboards.
Rudy's explanation of tech vs quality did resonate with me. I bought one of the early Lightwave Saber 4's when they came out and while the tech was awesome, the overall quality was 'meh'. Really light, cheap feeling, and rough around the edges. Sometimes it's a balancing act of building cost and profitability.
New tech sometimes is a pathway for more efficiency but, not necessarily better.
So, build it in humid, tropical Indonesia, and a period of time later it's in cool, dry Colorado, and there's going to be no change in the instrument? Right.
I've also yet to see any actual evidence of sap coming out of the pores on a retail instrument, not anecdotally IRL, on the forums nor in the couple of hundred instruments I've owned.
It's all in the expectation of build quality (or lack of). It depends on what the manufacture can do within cost boundaries. Yes, I agree that one should expect some level of change when a wood instrument changes climates. However, I haven't had as many issues with wood curing on my US-made instruments. It's clear that Rudy was grasping to articulate what he was saying in the video, and I think he was more so advocating more instruments that are built within their native regions to negate "issues" with imported woods.
Have I ever seen sap? No. I have seen splits, peeled binding, poor routing, and errant staining from wood that wasn't properly treated. It's a 50/50 issue...companies can use any building material but it's up to them to supplement the build quality.
I forgot about my US made SUBs! Those are poplar slabs and killer US made basses.
Doesn't matter how well an instrument was made or how well the wood cured. There is about 90% certainty that there will be some level of fret sprout when a new instrument sits in Colorado for a few weeks or more. The only used instruments that I own that didn't sprout were from New Mexico and Arizona. Same with neck bow/back bow. Usually, when an instrument dries out, the neck bows. My latest 84 Foundation (From Tucson) only needed a slight tightening of the truss rod for the lighter string gauge I put on it. So nice and easy! Compare that to my new Squier CV 70s Jazz V I got at the same time. It needed truss rod tweaks for almost every day for about 3 months and a round of sprout filing.
I'll meet you halfway.
I purchased my Fender Jaguar, Marcus Miller, and Ibanez Black Eagle re-issue -- all brand new in the Mile High city. They were stable for a long time after the initial setup and didn't develop fret sprouts. The only other thing I can think of is that all three have really neck binding. Maybe that played a factor.
I have found that the sprout on my new Squier J with binding was less than my unbound Ibanez from south Florida (which was 30 years old at the time).I'll meet you halfway.
I purchased my Fender Jaguar, Marcus Miller, and Ibanez Black Eagle re-issue -- all brand new in the Mile High city. They were stable for a long time after the initial setup and didn't develop fret sprouts. The only other thing I can think of is that all three have really neck binding. Maybe that played a factor.
Exactly what I was thinking, too. As for the rest, I am not in a position to say I've experienced it.
I DO know that Peavey USA basses are some of the best. My opinion, of course. I just took my RJIV to rehearsal tonight and I will put that bass up against any bass. Stupid low action, perfect tone and build quality, not one negative flaw.
Whew. Found this on my local facebook marketplace. An interesting post...but that color though! 
Seems like a great deal here on a nice-looking Patriot, out in mountains of eastern TN (no affiliation). Would like to see better pics of the bass itself. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
And $200 w/ a hardshell case? Could be a good score for someone.
Hmm, only about a 3hr drive each way for me...
Whew. Found this on my local facebook marketplace. An interesting post...but that color though!
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Maybe it's just the lighting, but the paint seems splotchy. A refin, perhaps? In any case, if the neck is good... it's easy to source a new pickguard and truss cover.
