If you look in sheetmusic direct, the “So What” transcription has one flat in the key signature and accidentals are used throughout.
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Victor Wooten: There are 30 keys
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If you look in sheetmusic direct, the “So What” transcription has one flat in the key signature and accidentals are used throughout.
His point is knowing the names of enharmonic notes is important. Yes, you can play all the notes of C# major if you know the notes of Db major, but then technically you can play any major scale without knowing the notes if you memorize the notes on your fingerboard and memorize a major pattern and apply it to different notes.
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I think, as others have stated prior in the thread, that there are conventions basEd upon what tradition someone is writing for.
@mambo4 addresses that a few posts up; I have noticed that modal tunes in jazz fake books don’t rely upon accidentals (I.e. D Dorian tunes are written with a key signature synonyms with that of C Major) but more formal classical transcriptions will make extensive use of accidentals.
Most fiddle tune publications I have seen function like the jazz fake books, and will often say “A myxolidian” or some such at the top. (See American and particularly Western Swing music and Irish music transcriptions).
That's not my experience in my classical background. D Dorian more commonly gets sig. of C, for simplicity of reading. The modality becomes apparent once you start playing. That said, at 56 I'm becoming a dinosaur and it's been 35 years since I stopped formal education. Maybe things are changing...
Heck, maybe I got it backwards. I hope I didn’t misquote anyone. I’m the learner here!
I dimly recall some pieces that are primarily tonal but with modal passages. I wish I could remember what they were or by whom and I would look them up and see how it was handled. Saint-Saens or Bartok come to mind but I really can't be sure. Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock...
I don't know. It may be that UK/European and US conventions are becoming divergent on this question. And that's fine as long as we all remain cognizant of how different tools can be used to achieve the same goal.
Perhaps I'll ask my daughter the next time I see her.
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IMHO, it seems a bit counterintuitive to write key of D minor when the melody is D and Eb Dorian
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May well have done. Like I said, the mists of time are descending.
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If you follow the logic of that Wooten video you can also say that there are 48 keys because each tone can have two names. Then you will have double flats and sharps. Does it help you? Not really...Is it a good TB discussion? Maybe...
How so? Logic and convention prohibit doubles and mixed accidentals in the signature. What are the additional 18?
You have all 12 half steps. Each can have two names=24. Then double it for minor makes 48.
Theoretically you can have B# or E# major for example. But then you enter double sharp and flat territory.
Makes sense, isn’t it? Check also the video in post #6
Really that's entering into atonal or serialist territory, where all key-based bets are off. By convention, for a key signature, you pick 7 of 12 and you don't mix sharps and flats.
Perhaps, but the keys Db, C#, F#, Gb, Cb and B are not merely theoretical; they all exist in practice. I've run across all of them. For example, in theater work, it's not uncommon to see both F# and Gb (sometimes in the same show):
Miss Saigon:
Les Mis:
West Side Story:
Miss Saigon:
Next to Normal:
Sweeney Todd:
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels:
The key of B is far more common that the key of Cb, but you do run across Cb from time to time. For example:
Les Mis:
Bat Boy, the Musical:
And while it's less common, I have come across the occasional passage in C#:
Bat Boy, the Musical:
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Not really. With my 48 key example I don’t mix sharps and flats. Only using double sharps and double flats. Just like in that video mentionted in post #6. Nothing serial or atonal about that.
