if you're truly a post-hardcore band and not one of these emo bands claiming to be post hardcore, then no one is going to care what he's saying anyway.
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Vocalist's writing sucks
- Thread starter BassPlummet
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i'm questioning whether you actually play post hardcore or if you're one of the slew of current bands claiming to be playing post hardcore but it's actually just rebranded emo.
"non gustibus est"
Latin for "in matters of taste, there can be no dispute". When you say something sucks, that is *always* just your opinion. There is no objective "suck" or "awesome", just taste and opinions. You need to learn this to be in the arts. It's true. It's not PC BS, it's PT - plain truth.
Latin for "in matters of taste, there can be no dispute". When you say something sucks, that is *always* just your opinion. There is no objective "suck" or "awesome", just taste and opinions. You need to learn this to be in the arts. It's true. It's not PC BS, it's PT - plain truth.
This is how it happens in my band. Someone will write a song. We will play it. If it's a good song, we'll play it during later practices. If it's not a good song, it quietly goes away without drama (so far so good for the past three years, anyway).
If you want to shape up the skills, you have to embrace the first efforts.
If you want to shape up the skills, you have to embrace the first efforts.
If one lacks discernment. I don't know what world some live in, but it must be tough not being able to distinguish crap from gold.
Record everything you do. Be prepared to throw 50% of it away, or more.
You have to be willing to separate the wheat from the chaff. There is an unavoidable amount of chaff, especially when you're starting to write.
When you get older, if you keep doing it, in my experience it gets easier to avoid chaff in the first place, and that is when it gets really fun. I sometimes write 2 songs a week, and I never cringe at my own stuff anymore. But, it took me almost 30 years to get here.
You have to be willing to separate the wheat from the chaff. There is an unavoidable amount of chaff, especially when you're starting to write.
When you get older, if you keep doing it, in my experience it gets easier to avoid chaff in the first place, and that is when it gets really fun. I sometimes write 2 songs a week, and I never cringe at my own stuff anymore. But, it took me almost 30 years to get here.
I'd say taste in art is subjective, but quality is different and crap is still crap.
For example, an artist with training employs ideas within the tradition of his/her field and draws upon this history while pushing some new ideas and voila! Art is created.
A bum off the street with zero training throws a sardine can into a bathtub full of stagnant water and drags it off to an art curator who exhibits it... yes, it is still art, yes, someone is bound to like it, but is it quality? No, it's crap.
I'm not saying it's mandatory to have had formal training to be an artist... Tommy Emmanuel is an incredible artist, but he has no formal training and some people may not dig his style. Then there's the struggling artist with all the training in the world, but who just can't seem to get a break because their ideas or execution is simply sub-par on an artistic level Unimaginative. I know who I'd rather listen to. Listen to pop 40 and you'll hear mostly generic music and lyrics, then once in a while something quality is written in that mainstream vein and it becomes a hit.
Just 'cause something is good, doesn't mean I'll like it;
and just 'cause something is crap, doesn't mean I'll dislike it. That's where the subjectivity comes in...
Art is subjective, whether it's crap or not.
Here's an idea: this post (my post) is crap. I could've made my point much more succinctly if I'd made the effort and better crafted my writing, taken the time to choose words more carefully. Instead I worked too much/long on it and rambled around. So, I'll leave with a couple of Charles Mingus quotes:
Mingus said:
Mingus said:
OK, as a older guy having no idea what Post-Hardcore/Electronicore is, I googled it and listened to some youtube videos. After listening to the "music" I'd say if you just scream the word "vomit" over and over that would be fitting lyrics. Just my viewpoint, of course. 
OK, as a older guy having no idea what Post-Hardcore/Electronicore is, I googled it and listened to some youtube videos. After listening to the "music" I'd say if you just scream the word "vomit" over and over that would be fitting lyrics. Just my viewpoint, of course.
As long as you can sell it - you can do anything.
I disagree. You may like or dislike something but there is no crap. Your level of dislike may be higher but still no crap. We are all different and you can never get everyone to agree absolutely about something as subjective as art or music. Prepared piano comes to mind here.
I've never seen a wedding ring made of crap.
I happen to think 95% of all modern music is total CRAP.
Am I right?
Of course I'm NOT.
It really is that subjective.
But in all honesty, no one has made anything I would call "gold" since the Dixie Chicks, and they are the only exception to my rule of no one since 1978.
SirMjac28
Patiently Waiting For The Next British Invasion
Could someone educate an old man as to what Post-Hardcore/Electronicore and emo are? and does emo have anything to do with emo phillips? I love that guy.
Yeah, that's a justification that hacks use to validate their crap. I'm no virtuoso, but I know crap when I hear it.
