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#83
callofcthulhu said:
Stay classy, talkbass.

I hope between the laughs you’re all having at the expense of the sad and lonely, you’re also spending time being thankful your life path has not led you to a place where you are also sad and lonely.
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First off, the ego it takes to assume an entire group of people are talking about this because we're all just oblivious to what this is and don't understand the nuances of depression and loneliness because we're all just sheltered ignorant fools is staggering. You need your head checked out thoroughly by a professional if you equate loneliness with obsessive antisocial pathology.

Let me tell you a little story that might clear things up for you a little bit.

My wife has a 15 year old daughter from a previous marriage. She has just come to live with us within the last year because her biological father is an out of control emotional manipulator and antagonizer. Upon moving here...looking to better herself and her personal situation...she decided that she wanted to go get a job in addition to going to school.

She lands herself a restaurant job that will work with her highschool and also get her a wage plus tips so she can get some things done for herself.

After about 2 weeks..she starts really not liking going to work. She comes in from work one day and starts talking about a scenario where a 35 year old cook is taking pictures and video of her...and it has gotten so bad that he is just openly doing it in front of other teenage wait staff that are working on the same shifts with her. She is so terrified that on the very next shift...she tells a shift manager and the shift manager stays with her until my wife comes and picks her up.

This is when the complaint actually gets logged. As it turns out through a full investigation he actually was shooting full long videos of my wifes 15 year old daughter...and through this investigation...it turns out other underage girls were also being photographed and videoed...and they had left the job because of this straight up creep.

The owner goes silent for a 5 day period...as was clearly instructed by a lawyer...and the video that was on this creeps phone that was literally proven to have been taken because of restaurant camera footage...and all the photos that he had been clearly seen taking...they all magically disappeared from creeps phone. We had jumped early so we already had the creeper admitting that photos were taken...mostly because he couldn't deny the video evidence that corroborated with the witness testimony...but he had a side excuse that he was taking them to have contact pictures. Which then had apparently been removed. There would be no reason to do this other than for fear of getting caught and prosecuted. That's when I completely knew this freak was cognitively aware of what he was doing. This didn't explain him taking videos of her cleaning and one doesn't need somewhere in the ballpark of 40 to 50 photos over the course of a week for "contact" purposes. Also, pretty sure it's customary to ask someone if they can snap a contact photo of you...which never happened.

Really weird coincidence. So much a weird coincidence that I decided to do some digging. As it turns out...this creeper was also on her social media...thinking he was really sly...which he wasn't. It was at this point...something real was going to be done.

We go to this place and strike up a conversation with the owner. Surprise visit. Creeper was also there. Turns out creepers parents still drive him to work and he still lives at home. The owner tried the "well, as we're all getting more aware...it seems to us that something might be a little off with him...whether it be depression or otherwise...but we think its harmless." I straight up asked him if he receives any kind of governmental supplement or have any evidence of mental health issues what-so-ever. The owner says "no". He has no limitations or stipulations. So then I ask "So which mental illness is it where it's completely normal for parents to drop off a 35 year old man to work in a minivan and he still lives at home and takes videos of underage 15 year old girls?" The owners look was sheer terror. Rightfully so. This owner was actually very forthcoming with information because of how many witnesses and parties were involved...but he was clearly instructed by a lawyer on what to do and say. I also learned he had fairly recently acquired the business with a partner...so it was clear that he didn't have any of the surfacing information about the creepers past actions..and as a result...had no paper trail on this creep and was truly not aware of previous complaints that were never properly documented or taken seriously.

While I'm there..it's obvious that creeper is starting to piece together who I am and why I'm there. He starts joking around nervously with another staff member and will not look in my direction at all. But he knows that I know.

I see this as going nowhere so I ask that we go into his office and that creeper be included. Creeper walks in and is jovial...but nervous jovial and clearly putting on a show. The owner tells him why he's there and who I am...and he launches into his b.s. contacts story. I stare directly through him not saying a word...and pulled out two printouts of his fake accounts and how they're linked directly with two staff that are also currently working. I explain briefly what these are and that I know. I then say to him directly "I don't care what your deficiencies are...if you come anywhere near my wifes daughter in person or social media...they will have an easier time finding Jimmy Hoffa than they will in finding you."

Magically, by the time we got back home..the two sly accounts had completely disappeared and there has been zero contact since.

The moral of this story is that the awareness of mental illness doesn't count for a damn thing when obsessive antisocial pathology is terrifying an underage girl...and that freak needed to be told what his boundaries were going to be with or without his permission...and with or without his apparent "booh-hoo" mental condition. Just because some affliction effects the mind of a human being...doesn't mean they get a free pass to terrorize those around them....especially not 15 year old girls who have already been through the emotional ringer. This thread is way more about reflecting the standards people are going to put up with in society then it is about everybody misunderstanding an innocent lonely person which is a delusion of epic proportions given the dark places this level of obsession usually ends up.
 
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#88
mikeoso said:
We seem to have wandered into Monty Python's Argument Clinic. My old granda was right..."There are guys out there who will start a fistfight in a phonebooth."
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I was SO tempted to just post "Is this the right room for an argument?" - a couple of pages back :)
'tis the season, I guess! (PS: Peaceful and Prosperous New Year to the lot of youse!)
 
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#89
J33 said:
First off, the ego it takes to assume an entire group of people are talking about this because we're all just oblivious to what this is and don't understand the nuances of depression and loneliness because we're all just sheltered ignorant fools is staggering. You need your head checked out thoroughly by a professional if you equate loneliness with obsessive antisocial pathology.

The moral of this story is that the awareness of mental illness doesn't count for a damn thing when obsessive antisocial pathology is terrifying an underage girl...and that freak needed to be told what his boundaries were going to be with or without his permission...and with or without his apparent "booh-hoo" mental condition. Just because some affliction effects the mind of a human being...doesn't mean they get a free pass to terrorize those around them....especially not 15 year old girls who have already been through the emotional ringer. This thread is way more about reflecting the standards people are going to put up with in society then it is about everybody misunderstanding an innocent lonely person which is a delusion of epic proportions given the dark places this level of obsession usually ends up.[/QUOT
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Well said.
 
#90
It could be Rhonda Smith.
She is Canadian.
Rhonda Smith.jpg
 
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#92
J33 said:
First off, the ego it takes to assume an entire group of people are talking about this because we're all just oblivious to what this is and don't understand the nuances of depression and loneliness because we're all just sheltered ignorant fools is staggering. You need your head checked out thoroughly by a professional if you equate loneliness with obsessive antisocial pathology.

Let me tell you a little story that might clear things up for you a little bit.

My wife has a 15 year old daughter from a previous marriage. She has just come to live with us within the last year because her biological father is an out of control emotional manipulator and antagonizer. Upon moving here...looking to better herself and her personal situation...she decided that she wanted to go get a job in addition to going to school.

She lands herself a restaurant job that will work with her highschool and also get her a wage plus tips so she can get some things done for herself.

After about 2 weeks..she starts really not liking going to work. She comes in from work one day and starts talking about a scenario where a 35 year old cook is taking pictures and video of her...and it has gotten so bad that he is just openly doing it in front of other teenage wait staff that are working on the same shifts with her. She is so terrified that on the very next shift...she tells a shift manager and the shift manager stays with her until my wife comes and picks her up.

This is when the complaint actually gets logged. As it turns out through a full investigation he actually was shooting full long videos of my wifes 15 year old daughter...and through this investigation...it turns out other underage girls were also being photographed and videoed...and they had left the job because of this straight up creep.

The owner goes silent for a 5 day period...as was clearly instructed by a lawyer...and the video that was on this creeps phone that was literally proven to have been taken because of restaurant camera footage...and all the photos that he had been clearly seen taking...they all magically disappeared from creeps phone. We had jumped early so we already had the creeper admitting that photos were taken...mostly because he couldn't deny the video evidence that corroborated with the witness testimony...but he had a side excuse that he was taking them to have contact pictures. Which then had apparently been removed. There would be no reason to do this other than for fear of getting caught and prosecuted. That's when I completely knew this freak was cognitively aware of what he was doing. This didn't explain him taking videos of her cleaning and one doesn't need somewhere in the ballpark of 40 to 50 photos over the course of a week for "contact" purposes. Also, pretty sure it's customary to ask someone if they can snap a contact photo of you...which never happened.

Really weird coincidence. So much a weird coincidence that I decided to do some digging. As it turns out...this creeper was also on her social media...thinking he was really sly...which he wasn't. It was at this point...something real was going to be done.

We go to this place and strike up a conversation with the owner. Surprise visit. Creeper was also there. Turns out creepers parents still drive him to work and he still lives at home. The owner tried the "well, as we're all getting more aware...it seems to us that something might be a little off with him...whether it be depression or otherwise...but we think its harmless." I straight up asked him if he receives any kind of governmental supplement or have any evidence of mental health issues what-so-ever. The owner says "no". He has no limitations or stipulations. So then I ask "So which mental illness is it where it's completely normal for parents to drop off a 35 year old man to work in a minivan and he still lives at home and takes videos of underage 15 year old girls?" The owners look was sheer terror. Rightfully so. This owner was actually very forthcoming with information because of how many witnesses and parties were involved...but he was clearly instructed by a lawyer on what to do and say. I also learned he had fairly recently acquired the business with a partner...so it was clear that he didn't have any of the surfacing information about the creepers past actions..and as a result...had no paper trail on this creep and was truly not aware of previous complaints that were never properly documented or taken seriously.

While I'm there..it's obvious that creeper is starting to piece together who I am and why I'm there. He starts joking around nervously with another staff member and will not look in my direction at all. But he knows that I know.

I see this as going nowhere so I ask that we go into his office and that creeper be included. Creeper walks in and is jovial...but nervous jovial and clearly putting on a show. The owner tells him why he's there and who I am...and he launches into his b.s. contacts story. I stare directly through him not saying a word...and pulled out two printouts of his fake accounts and how they're linked directly with two staff that are also currently working. I explain briefly what these are and that I know. I then say to him directly "I don't care what your deficiencies are...if you come anywhere near my wifes daughter in person or social media...they will have an easier time finding Jimmy Hoffa than they will in finding you."

Magically, by the time we got back home..the two sly accounts had completely disappeared and there has been zero contact since.

The moral of this story is that the awareness of mental illness doesn't count for a damn thing when obsessive antisocial pathology is terrifying an underage girl...and that freak needed to be told what his boundaries were going to be with or without his permission...and with or without his apparent "booh-hoo" mental condition. Just because some affliction effects the mind of a human being...doesn't mean they get a free pass to terrorize those around them....especially not 15 year old girls who have already been through the emotional ringer. This thread is way more about reflecting the standards people are going to put up with in society then it is about everybody misunderstanding an innocent lonely person which is a delusion of epic proportions given the dark places this level of obsession usually ends up.
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Hi friend,

I am sincerely sorry your daughter, and your whole family, had to go through this. I would never presume to offer anything other than a genuine hope that she and you and everyone else involved are able to heal from these wounds. It sounds like she has a truly caring guardian in you, and I hope you're able to continue to support her mental and emotional health as readily as you acted to protect her physical safety. Please don't forget that these things take time to process, and the way we process them may be surprising, even -- or especially -- to ourselves. Being 15 is tough enough on its own, I cannot begin to fathom the added stress an event like this must impose.

Thank you for taking the time to share this story with the community. Speaking for myself, as your bass playing brother, I hope the respect and camaraderie we can offer you here, in this albeit limited form of interaction, can be a source of strength for you.

Characterizing the whole group based on the actions of a few was negligent of me. Please accept my apology if my careless words have caused any harm. They were not directed at you, or anyone else who has likewise reacted to the OP with the seriousness it warrants.

However, I stand by them as regards the specific post I quoted (which, by way of reiteration, was a poster who was specifically creating a "scrapbook" of sad people posting on CL for his own amusement) and others in the thread who likewise felt the need to comment uncharitably on this or similar situations.

Well wishes for the new year.

-Tom
 
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Creepers gonna creep.

There are many reasons people protect their privacy and choose anonymity, especially those that may have found their brush with fame less than wonderful. At times it can be threatening and dangerous or be witness the utterly appalling and repugnant side of life. Others have their safety, sobriety or sanity by the lifestyle of touring both good and bad.

TBers are a microcosm of the world yet we can bear witness to the online treatment of both our peers and betters. I call in mind the utterly deplorable treatment and lack of respect shown to a true legend and giant of a player and educator on these forums, who was bullied infamously for a difference of opinion about practice, learning and teaching by unqualified persons of no standing - primarily a target because of his justified celebrity and their jealousy and churlishness. This is my 2cent opinion. YMMV.
 
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