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What does "bad tone" sound like?

"bad" is hard to pinpoint, a lot of stuff out there doesn't work. so you'd need to identify qualities of sound that do work, and then sounds missing that would be "bad" depending on how much they're missing and how bad.

a good tone should have some character to it. "good" or "Bad" character to the sound is subjective, but a sense of flavor is very important. it's important for the tone to not be interchangeable and unidentifiable, it should have its own fingerprint in some way. all P-basses of a reasonable build quality are a great example of this. Jaco or Marcus are even better examples.

next would come down to eq/frequency response issues. almost always, its important to have a big enough low end to fill out the texture of the band. sometimes this isn't necessary, such as solo playing or certain unique examples, but almost always big low end will be a factor in making a "good" sound.

after that i'd go for clarity. muddy bass sounds are cool, but hearing the notes is even better. weather that comes from a lot of clear treble or just the eq bump in a simple P bass sound, clarity means we can hear your notes and not just feel the vibrations.

so, a bad tone would be one with no character to it- bland sounding. not enough low end, and poor clarity. i think this is a pretty good universal set of requirements.

trying to identify sounds that have all of my qualifications, character, low end, and clarity - nearly any good bass player i can think of right now is coming to mind. billy sheen's sound has those 3. so does Janek gwizdala. so does the lower bass-stringed-half of charlie hunters guitars. so does flea. so does les claypool.. and so on..
 
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It sounds like Rudy Sarzo and his ilk, in my opinion. That '80s metal tone of anemically scooped brittle-clean brightness or one-dimensional Boss distortion; bright humbuckers; a heavy pick technique and those fart-crackle transients (the 'rails' tone you get from GK amps).
 
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I'm with the folks whos say about the context.

But - for my taste - I dislike too middy tones (yes, I like scooped tones), unless they're ultra-aggressive Hi mids^^

It sounds like Rudy Sarzo and his ilk, in my opinion. That '80s metal tone of anemically scooped brittle-clean brightness or one-dimensional Boss distortion; bright humbuckers; a heavy pick technique and those fart-crackle transients (the 'rails' tone you get from GK amps).

That's the tone I like... World is beautiful for its variety :D
 
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You were doing fine, just stating your opinion, until you got to the part when you stated that somehow people who push the boundary aren't "true jazz" players. Miles Davis would smack you for that. Because yeah, playing within a safe boundary and never pushing the limit is truly what jazz is about.

I'm not a jazz person, I'll admit that. However, as in all art forms I think there's a fine line between experimental and brilliant, and failed, weird experiments. Compositional experimentation in jazz is mind boggling at times and incredibly impressive because they still make great musical pieces with it. Other stuff though doesn't end up feeling like a good piece of music because they experiment for the sake of experimentation and don't ever put it into musical context. It comes across lifeless at best, like pop art, and other times it's just not a cohesive piece, like poetry that just tries to break the language it's written in instead of conveying any message.

I really do think most jazz is incredible work
 
I've read a couple Robert DeLeo interviews where he discusses tone and recording. Often times he used really bad tones in the studio because it was what would stick out in the mix and sound good.

Im not a Korn fan, but that tone Fieldy gets sticks out and is actively talked about on bass forums years after they first broke.
 
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As you mention it depends on that fact that is subjective, I personally do not care for tone that has no bottom end in the mix. I do not mind if the higher strings are clacking and have a decent zing to them but, I don't care for the low end strings sounding more guitar like then bass. As for effects on bass tone I like them as long as you do not take the tone to a point it sounds nothing like a bass guitar. If you pick out chords and it sounds more guitar than bass then just play guitar imo.
 
Bad tone? I'll side-step the tough parts of answering the question and answer this way:

When you're playing in a relatively small wooden building, but in a 2 story/cavernous room inside that building, and the FOH doesn't know how to EQ ANY of the low-end (electric bass, keys, organ, synth) and the whole freakin' room functions like being inside a giant kick drum for the whole set. THAT my brothers and sisters is some bad bass tone. I'm sure lots of us have experienced what I'm trying to convey.

My point is that our live playing should ideally let us have OUR tone (good or bad), rather than a train-wreck of a chain that leads to something worse.

BTW, for those that might not know, Ed Friedland talks about this horrid notch in our register and how to cancel it -- you can find it on youtube.
 
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