What happened to Mesa Boogie cabinets?

[MCF]

My gut tells me that the 4x10 doesn’t sell as well as the other cabs.

I think it’d be cool to have one, but I don’t feel I need one.

You are probably correct. But the sound is exquisite. Wouldn’t trade mine for anything.

 

[g4string]

Amazing how these posts about changes because Gibson bought Mesa keep occurring when there is absolutely no change in the way Mesa operates as a result. Gibson is not doing to Mesa what Korg is sadly doing to Aguilar. And there is no evidence that it will.

sadly, I think korg is slowing killing the Aguilar brand as well. shame.

 

[MCF]

I never suggested anyone not register a copyright, patent, or trademark as appropriate for their work. I register copyrights on my own music just like you.

My objection is over the abuses of the system by people who like to initiate meritless IP infringement actions. There are such things as patent and copyright trolls out there who make a business out of filing nuisance lawsuits in order to force settlements from smaller businesses and startups who lack the financial resources to get into a prolonged legal court battle defending themselves. Look no further than some of Gibson’s legal shenanigans.

There’s also the people who falsely file DMCA complaints to silence those they don’t agree with online. And despite there being anti SLAPP laws to go after people who do this, those laws are pretty loosely enforced. So much so that most people who do it are seldom held accountable.

I’m a lawyer. I used to be proud of my profession. I no longer am. Money hungry lawyers are a main problem, but not the only problem.

 

[MCF]

This is something I'm trying to get my grandson to understand, something I didn't myself going to school.

It's not so much the stuff that is being taught. Yes learning about Napoleon Bonaparte is not going to help him get a job, but the process used to lean about him is the key.

The ability to do research, the ability to problem solve, the ability to retain knowledge even if it seems useless. To follow a course of reason and see if there is flaws in it's conclusion. To learn from history and build on it and not repeat the mistakes of the past.

This is what you are learning, how to use your brain and be able to navigate through the world and time.

His response, "I guess."

You are correct. We rarely disagree. The only thing I’ll add is that learning how to write was a critical part of my public university (UC Irvine in the seventies) education that seems to have become a lost art today. I deal with young co-workers today with degrees from “prestigious” schools who are horrible writers.

 

[agedhorse]

You are correct. We rarely disagree. The only thing I’ll add is that learning how to write was a critical part of my public university (UC Irvine in the seventies) education that seems to have become a lost art today. I deal with young co-workers today with degrees from “prestigious” schools who are horrible writers.

I totally agree, it frustrates the heck out of me too... UC Davis mid 70's - early 80's.

 

[40Hz]

I’m a lawyer. I used to be proud of my profession. I no longer am. Money hungry lawyers are a main problem, but not the only problem.

Agree. In the IT world I worked in there is a saying: It always comes down to a people problem in the end. And any time it looks like it isn’t, you need to look again.

Money hungry lawyers wouldn’t exist without money hungry clients. Sometimes lawyers can be enablers. But catalysts aren’t in and of themselves the underlying cause.

As my own business attorney put it - when it comes to a lawsuit, there’s hardly ever so much as one absolutely honest man aboard the the ship.

 

[frankie5string]

sadly, I think korg is slowing killing the Aguilar brand as well. shame.

Is it? Are Aguilar products still selling with the same gusto as they once were? In my eyes, it seemed like things were tapering off for the brand before Korg took them over.
On the other hand, as far as I know Mesa products still sell very well.

 

[MCF]

After totally misreading what they said or deliberately choosing to not understand it and then trying to gaslight them over what they didn’t say. Priceless.

Yeah. What was that about?

 

[MCF]

What exactly did I say that is incorrect? And more importantly, if you are the guy designing Mesa bass cabs, I think that is very cool. Any word on when you will be designing a 412 cab that customers can actually buy?

And they’re gone. And good riddance. And funny thing is I couldn’t see what some were responding to because I had this poster blocked. So I unblocked them, and thought to myself that this will not end well. And it didn’t.

 

[MCF]

Gentlemen, my apologies for the pause in the thread, please do carry on.

Thanks V. Just catching up here.

Sheesh I missed the train wreck, it was getting bizarre, then I looked away just as apparently it went all pear shaped.

Thank our wonderful moderator @TBird1958 for putting the brakes on that poster’s nonsense.

 

[MCF]

The thing that made me want to get a Mesa 400+ w/ a 2x15 RR Mesa Cab was seeing Kurt Danielson from TAD play at The Offramp in Seattle in the mid-late 90's. I know nothing about operating a sound board in a venue but I was good friends with the sound guy there (Big Pete - RIP). I couldn't really hear him but I think he was trying to show me how he could (just for a quick second) cut the bass out of the PA & you couldn't really tell. At the time I was using two Eden WT-300's (at the same time) into a 8x8 and 2x12 (stacked). The Mesa setup Kurt had just looked simpler & cleaner especially being in the road case.

But thank you (to everyone who chimed in) & enlightened me why the RR series is gone and that the Subway cabs are lighter & sound better, cheers! BTW - I feel bad that the guy from Mesa Boogie had to state his case & kind of argue with CCarson because of this thread I started, my apologies.

It was an interesting discussion.

 

[MCF]

I was super late to this thread but enjoyed catching up…

nobody mentioned the PH610 much. I have one and love playing with it with a TT800 driving it or my YBA300. Both sound incredible!

Add a SVT and you have a Triumvirate of Tone!

 

[MCF]

Cool, Band of Gypsys!
Some Guild cabinets for Billy.

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That looks so cool!

 

[shwabilly]

This has definitely been an interesting discussion. Obviously Ccarson26 didn't know or care that he was arguing with the designer of these cabs. I follow the Mesa Subway thread, and I take @agedhorse 's advice and word as gospel when it comes to this gear.

I went a long time assuming bigger is better. I've had large Peavey rigs (3620 cab), GK 410's and my previous rig was an svt810.

The older larger stuff is still great stuff, and I'm certainly capable of transporting it, but when there's lighter, smaller more powerful options available, I knew I had to explore that.

I started with the D800+ and got myself sw 210 and 115 cabs. About 6 months ago, I picked up a tt800. Both heads I love for different reasons, and the cabs are spectacular, in every way.

 

[Fun Size Nick]

I was super late to this thread but enjoyed catching up…

nobody mentioned the PH610 much. I have one and love playing with it with a TT800 driving it or my YBA300. Both sound incredible!

I had one, with an Ashdown ABM 500 driving it. I loved playing the thing, it sounded immense and it was easier to load in & out of my car (Mazda 626 estate, since we’re on a car tangent) than any 410 could be. I had the gen 1 PH610 which had casters rather than tilt & roll wheels, which I liked as I could stack the rest of my gear on top of it for a one-trip load-in. I’m very happy to no longer be lugging it around though! I was a little perplexed that they stuck with 1/4” connectors only for so long as they didn't have speakons until the gen 2. I got rid of it because I moved countries, my next cab was an Epifani UL112 which indicates some life changes

 

[Jugghaid]

Amazing how these posts about changes because Gibson bought Mesa keep occurring when there is absolutely no change in the way Mesa operates as a result. Gibson is not doing to Mesa what Korg is sadly doing to Aguilar. And there is no evidence that it will.

I really hope it stays that way. I do understand the trepidation, however.

 

[Thir13teen]

I came close to buying one of those in the mid '70s.

I also came close to buying something similar (Davros).

 

[Thir13teen]

sadly, I think korg is slowing killing the Aguilar brand as well. shame.

In the likes of how Fender killed SWR.

 

[Thir13teen]

I’m a lawyer. I used to be proud of my profession. I no longer am. Money hungry lawyers are a main problem, but not the only problem.

I was a marketing executive at Verizon many moons ago (the yellow pages, nothing to do with their cell phones). The ads are supposed to be ethical so it amazed me when I first got hired & was in training that one of the "tabs" in the book which is a thick stock, full color - two sided page that is at the front of the "attorneys" heading. It has a tab sticking out so that when the book is flat on a table, you can just see the attorneys tab, open to the beginning of the heading & look for for a lawyer. But the law firm that bought that tab had on the first page a photo of a car crash and a guy laid up in the hospital with casts (along with the firms name, phone #, web address etc.) and said "We help you turn this...." and when you turned to the second side of the tab it said "....this!" - which showed a man & wife lying a beach somewhere in the Bahamas, sunglasses on, drink in their hands etc.

But a lot of the PI law firms do focus on how much $$$ they can get the client. But that particular ad I described above seemed unethical IMO.

 

[Thir13teen]

This has definitely been an interesting discussion. Obviously Ccarson26 didn't know or care that he was arguing with the designer of these cabs. I follow the Mesa Subway thread, and I take @agedhorse 's advice and word as gospel when it comes to this gear.

I went a long time assuming bigger is better. I've had large Peavey rigs (3620 cab), GK 410's and my previous rig was an svt810.

The older larger stuff is still great stuff, and I'm certainly capable of transporting it, but when there's lighter, smaller more powerful options available, I knew I had to explore that.

I started with the D800+ and got myself sw 210 and 115 cabs. About 6 months ago, I picked up a tt800. Both heads I love for different reasons, and the cabs are spectacular, in every way.

I think what it was, at least for me, was I was young - didn't start playing until I was 19 & then subscribed to BP magazine & of course I'd see their ads with their monster rigs and figured "thats what I need". Plus I'd see my favorite bands play live or on TV & notice all their 8x10's, 4x10's, SVT's etc.

Then once I got out of the Navy I traded in a SWR Redhead for a SWR Bass 350 head & a SWR 8x8 - just to play in the house. But then I moved to Seattle and on my first day I was asked if I wanted to join a band so I was glad I had a bigger amp & cab. Then eventually put a SWR 2x12 under the 8x8 - which still looked puny compared to the SWR ad with Jeff Ament in it.

But this when I was still a kid (23-28 yrs old). If I were gigging today it'd probably pull my SansAmp DP-3X out of my gig bag & use it with whatever they have for a backline.