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My home rig:
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Two 18" PV18s each independently fed 450 watts from a Crown XLi and a revolving door of 2x10s fed by a 50 watt Mesa 2:Fifty.

This is the only bass amp I have, which is a hold over from my large club touring days. Now it lives in my garage. The fact that it has a volume knob (four of them, really) makes it ideal for playing at home at low volumes.

Actually, the first notch on the Crown/subs is still a little much for late night jamming. Even trying to be whisper quiet, a single one of the 18s still manages to rattle the silverware.
 
That's a neat amp, I'm looking at the ICE units too. I've hear good things about them and having a built-in dual rail supply is really nice. I appreciate that you add graphs for the design. Center frequencies only say so much since Q changes with parametric EQs and as boost/cut is increased.

I've used the 700AS1 module in a number of similar but smaller builds, it has a nicer aux power supply and doesn't require external filter inductors. But I really prefer rack mount gear for home use, so I ended up keeping that one.
 
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Not really because my amps and cabs are able to put out low frequencies even at very low volume, but even at very low volume it's disturbing for the family.

If I don't want to disturb them, I have to thin out the sound in a way I don't like.

Those low frequencies really travel. You can wail on a guitar but its only loud in the room but basses even at modest levels tend to be heard by the neighbors.
 
My #1 bass guitar since about 1995 has been a Yamaha TRB6P. I also played acoustic upright with a pickup and an NS Design 6-string electric upright. I played a wide range of covers as well as jazz trio and big band. I also bowed the upright through an amp in a classical style.

I prefer amps that would be considered more transparent and high fidelity. I like a sound that is clear and focused. In general I find that strong lows tends to degrade clarity and focus, so I often wind up with a fairly lean sound on stage and a fuller sound when practicing at home.

I never really embraced the idea of having an extremely small rig for home practice. I typically just used whatever I had available.

The rig I bought for [personal] gigging was a GK 700RB/112 combo. I bought this amp because it was the best I could find at the time what would fit in the trunk of my Dodge Neon. I also demoed the 210, and preferred the 112. It was barely loud enough for work with a cover band, so I started using an extension cab for louder gigs. I think the 115 version of the combo would have sounded better, but it wouldn't fit in my car and I never came across one that I could demo.

My last touring rig in the military was rack-based. My rack had a tuner, a Furman power distro, rack drawer, QSC USA 900 power amp (260W x 2 at 8 ohms), and an Ashly MX508 rack mixer. The cabs I had available where 8 ohm Eden D210XLT and D410XLT. I typically used only the 210. I stacked the cab vertically on my rack, with a DI wedge under the front edge so the cab tilted back to aim at my ears.

The D210XLT was louder than the GK and was also a lot more clear and focused down low. I liked the high range of the GK better and mids, lows, and extra headroom of the Eden better.

The touring rig was big, heavy, and packed in rolling flight cases. It's worked great as we travelled with a cargo truck that had a lift gate. Usually we rolled the gear out at stage level. So it was short push and then I took the lids off, stacked the cab, patched the cables and I was ready to play.

The touring rig was not very practical for smaller gigs were we travelled in a 15 Pax van. I had the organization buy a GK 700RB/112 combo, just like the one I had at home. I used this rig for jazz trio and also all of my rehearsal needs. This meant I did not need to unpack the rack rig.

After I retire from playing, I went berserk collecting amps. I am at over 50 at this point. Most of them sound good a lot volume, but a few really need to be cranked. My Hiwatt DR201 and Mesa Eight:88 Strategy fall in to this category. So these amps are not really ideal for home practice. Some of my amps also have fairly obnoxious fans. Vintage Ampeg SVTs and Marshall VBA 400 are probably the worst. A lot of people complain about the fan noise from amps that are much quieter.

Another factor to consider. My collection is pretty varied. I think all of the amps sound great, but they don't necessarily suit the tone goals I normally pursue. My tonal preferences tend to fall towards the blackface era, Fender tone universe. So while I think my SVTs and Hiwatts are incredible, they probably would not be my choice for gigging unless I was really shooting for a specific tone, rather than simply dialing in the sound I prefer.

Another bit of context: I generally had full audio support, so my stage amp only had to satisfy my needs. Our audio tech typically took a DI off my bass and dialed in the bass to suit the mix.

I don't think you can satisfy everyone's needs, so I would suggest figuring out what you want to achieve. Some people, like myself, prefer more transparent rigs and some prefer more voiced rigs like an SVT through an 810.

My perception is the market is focused on value, performance, and keeping size and weight as low as possible. I also suggest keeping the fan noise as low as possible.

I think using a modular system approach would be a good call. So if you are making combo, you would have something that is small, light, sounds good, gets reasonably loud, and can be expanded. If you decide to make a range of different cab configuration, put in the necessary engineering in to make them all mix and match. In other words, users should be able to choose randomly from a 115, 112, 212, 210, 410, etc and all combinations should be safe and sound good together.
 
GenzBenz Shuttle 9.2 and Carvin Redline 2x10 cab. I have a larger rig that currently stays mainly at a warehouse/rehearsal space. The overall sound of my home and live rigs is basically the same, though. I tend to go for a clean, hi fi sound that is more or less full range and "flat" EQ wise.

I mainly gig with four string basses but I do have a fiver at home as well.

I mainly gig in hard rock/metal bands, but at home I spend more time playing stuff like hip hop, R&B, funk/dance, and walking bass lines, plus writing little melodies and chord progressions, practicing theory, and so forth, unless I am in writing mode for a band.

Not how to respond regarding the low end extension other than to say that I mostly use the same stock sound at home, rehearsals, and gig, except with the volume turned down lower at home.

Low end extension refers to how low of a frequency the speaker can reproduce and have it be equally loud as the midband. Its why I ask about bass models as well since 5ers go down to 31Hz as opposed to the usual 42Hz for 4s.

From what I understand some bassists are unhappy with their rig because it loses output on the lower strings, this is the result of having LESS low-end extension. From a technical standpoint, sub bass places significant demands on speakers which forces the designer to make compromises around it.

It's interesting that you leave your EQ flat for R&B and metal, I usually think of those genres having extremes EQ curves for bass.
 
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Actually, the first notch on the Crown/subs is still a little much for late night jamming. Even trying to be whisper quiet, a single one of the 18s still manages to rattle the silverware.

Happy to see a DBX in there. They make nice stuff.

Volume knobs can be tricky. We hear loudness logarithmically, but most potentiometers (volume knobs) are two linear pots stitched together, thus there are huge jumps in volume for small twists. One solution is to have a digital volume control (can still be an analog path) but that ofc requires having more onboard electronics, thus raising price and complexity.
 
For the House I'm mostly playing to learn and practice songs and don't need much

Have a Rumble 15 which has Headphone out and Acc in which covers all uses I need. Play mostly 5 string now and while it sounds nothing like the Mesa-Genz Benz rig I use out it gets it done for under $100
 
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My #1 bass guitar since about 1995 has been a Yamaha TRB6P. I also played acoustic upright with a pickup and an NS Design 6-string electric upright. I played a wide range of covers as well as jazz trio and big band. I also bowed the upright through an amp in a classical style.

I prefer amps that would be considered more transparent and high fidelity. I like a sound that is clear and focused. In general I find that strong lows tends to degrade clarity and focus, so I often wind up with a fairly lean sound on stage and a fuller sound when practicing at home.

I never really embraced the idea of having an extremely small rig for home practice. I typically just used whatever I had available.

The rig I bought for [personal] gigging was a GK 700RB/112 combo. I bought this amp because it was the best I could find at the time what would fit in the trunk of my Dodge Neon. I also demoed the 210, and preferred the 112. It was barely loud enough for work with a cover band, so I started using an extension cab for louder gigs. I think the 115 version of the combo would have sounded better, but it wouldn't fit in my car and I never came across one that I could demo.

My last touring rig in the military was rack-based. My rack had a tuner, a Furman power distro, rack drawer, QSC USA 900 power amp (260W x 2 at 8 ohms), and an Ashly MX508 rack mixer. The cabs I had available where 8 ohm Eden D210XLT and D410XLT. I typically used only the 210. I stacked the cab vertically on my rack, with a DI wedge under the front edge so the cab tilted back to aim at my ears.

The D210XLT was louder than the GK and was also a lot more clear and focused down low. I liked the high range of the GK better and mids, lows, and extra headroom of the Eden better.

The touring rig was big, heavy, and packed in rolling flight cases. It's worked great as we travelled with a cargo truck that had a lift gate. Usually we rolled the gear out at stage level. So it was short push and then I took the lids off, stacked the cab, patched the cables and I was ready to play.

The touring rig was not very practical for smaller gigs were we travelled in a 15 Pax van. I had the organization buy a GK 700RB/112 combo, just like the one I had at home. I used this rig for jazz trio and also all of my rehearsal needs. This meant I did not need to unpack the rack rig.

After I retire from playing, I went berserk collecting amps. I am at over 50 at this point. Most of them sound good a lot volume, but a few really need to be cranked. My Hiwatt DR201 and Mesa Eight:88 Strategy fall in to this category. So these amps are not really ideal for home practice. Some of my amps also have fairly obnoxious fans. Vintage Ampeg SVTs and Marshall VBA 400 are probably the worst. A lot of people complain about the fan noise from amps that are much quieter.

Another factor to consider. My collection is pretty varied. I think all of the amps sound great, but they don't necessarily suit the tone goals I normally pursue. My tonal preferences tend to fall towards the blackface era, Fender tone universe. So while I think my SVTs and Hiwatts are incredible, they probably would not be my choice for gigging unless I was really shooting for a specific tone, rather than simply dialing in the sound I prefer.

Another bit of context: I generally had full audio support, so my stage amp only had to satisfy my needs. Our audio tech typically took a DI off my bass and dialed in the bass to suit the mix.

I don't think you can satisfy everyone's needs, so I would suggest figuring out what you want to achieve. Some people, like myself, prefer more transparent rigs and some prefer more voiced rigs like an SVT through an 810.

My perception is the market is focused on value, performance, and keeping size and weight as low as possible. I also suggest keeping the fan noise as low as possible.

I think using a modular system approach would be a good call. So if you are making combo, you would have something that is small, light, sounds good, gets reasonably loud, and can be expanded. If you decide to make a range of different cab configuration, put in the necessary engineering in to make them all mix and match. In other words, users should be able to choose randomly from a 115, 112, 212, 210, 410, etc and all combinations should be safe and sound good together.

Right now, my goal is to make one multi-purpose combo. While mixing and matching cabinets has its merits for personalization and power scaling, there are advantages in designing your amplifier and preamp for a known speaker. having a mixable cabs and amps is a goal for down the line.

Portability and weight are definitely the omnipresent trends right now, but I am taking things one step at a time and am thus prioritizing tone and volume. That being said, I can opt for thin enclosure walls by having internal bracing which protects the cab form unwanted resonance and adds some structural robustness. I don't expect to compete with 25W practice amps in the portability domain.

I do however see that people are talking about load out/in processes and I think considering a form factor that can at least fit in a backseat is a good move. I am currently opting for a taller design with less width and depth so I'm guessing it won't fair too poorly if sideways.

Coming back to the ICE power amps, under most circumstances, they don't need a cooling fan because of convection cooling. I'm assuming that the worst case scenario would require a small fan for loud applications. DO you have any recommendations or amps that you know have quiet fans.
 
For the House I'm mostly playing to learn and practice songs and don't need much

Have a Rumble 15 which has Headphone out and Acc in which covers all uses I need. Play mostly 5 string now and while it sounds nothing like the Mesa-Genz Benz rig I use out it gets it done for under $100

Can't argue with that. The price is the price.
 
BB734 into RME into Helix(B7KU, AD200, IR) into Dynaudio monitors.

That said one of the input channels peaced out on the weekend so I might be in the market for a new interface soon. To be fair it's a 2016? that doubles as a cat warmer ;)
 
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I live in an urban townhouse and have to keep the volume reasonable, especially at night when I usually practice.

As a result, my main practice "rig" is a Fender Mustang Micro headphone amp, which is a truly amazing little device. It's designed mostly for guitar (which I also play), but it works well with bass.

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When I'm playing through an amp, it's my old Roland Cube Bass 100, which has some amp models and effects, but I usually play without modeling or effects. I keep the EQ flat too. Unlike many small combos, at least in my experience, the Roland sounds clear and full at home practice levels, and it's good for rehearsals and small gigs too. By contemporary standards it's heavy for a 100 watt 1x12, but the compact dimensions make the weight easy to manage.
 
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Low end extension refers to how low of a frequency the speaker can reproduce and have it be equally loud as the midband. Its why I ask about bass models as well since 5ers go down to 31Hz as opposed to the usual 42Hz for 4s.

From what I understand some bassists are unhappy with their rig because it loses output on the lower strings, this is the result of having LESS low-end extension. From a technical standpoint, sub bass places significant demands on speakers which forces the designer to make compromises around it.

It's interesting that you leave your EQ flat for R&B and metal, I usually think of those genres having extremes EQ curves for bass.

I understand the basic science behind low end extension, I just didn't know how to address it with respect to your question regarding home setups. Like I said, I use the same basic sound for home as well as live/rehearsals, aside from volume, so I don't give any explicit consideration to low end extension at home. All of my setups are certainly perfectly capable of producing any low end I need regardless of four or five-string tunings, because my home rig itself would also be a perfectly serviceable live rig (in fact, I do gig the Shuttle 9.2 head sometimes, and the Carvin 2x10 cab was a mainstay in my live rig for 10+ years before I retired it to home and recording use).

Metal has a somewhat undeserved reputation for extreme bass EQ curves, at least when it comes to players who know what they are doing. I've come across plenty of ultra-scooped tones when making the rounds at local shows, but most everyone I know who can play well and has a good tone tends to go with a much more orthodox tone and setup, albeit plus or minus distortion (I tend to play mostly without drive in two-guitar bands, except for some situational use of fuzz or a dirty boost, but there are plenty of great players who used a dirtier sound). I've pretty much always played a very neutral EQ myself and IMO that produces a more full sound in the full band mix.

When it comes to hip hop and R&B I might roll off some treble or otherwise play with the EQ now and then, but most of the time I just leave everything as-is and modify my technique instead of the amp -- or I'll just pull out my p-bass with flats and possibly a foam mute if I want to go all-in.
 
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BB734 into RME into Helix(B7KU, AD200, IR) into Dynaudio monitors.

That said one of the input channels peaced out on the weekend so I might be in the market for a new interface soon. To be fair it's a 2016? that doubles as a cat warmer ;)

Its neat seeing that interfaces have gotten so good (in the noise , latency & linearity dpt) that even in the budget range, companies are competing to add bells and whistles such as the Scarlett range, UA, SSL. We get a lot of bang for our buck.
 
What is your home rig?:

I use an Ashdown 410H with a 12 Band 600, along with my pedalbord consisting of all Taurus, G-Lab, and Strymon effects.

Which all of this is just a scaled down version of my live rig. Depending on size Ill take one or two 410´s, and two of the 12 Band 600´s in a rack. I use the second one to power my monitors.


What bass do you play?:

I have 3 main basses. 1; Modded Sire M2 4st. 2; Modded Sire M2 5st. 3; Sire V7 4st.



What genres do you play?:

I play Jazz-Fusion, and a little bit of Rock and Funk



How Important is low end extension?:

Its important, but not overly. My sound is very clean, bright, and punchy. And I want a nice strong sound for when Im not slapping and twiddling away on my upper register. I have a very certain taste for my EQ, one of the reasons why I love the 12 Band 600, for its graphic EQ! And the Ashdown 410H´s deliver! Sometimes when playing at lower volumes, or less speakers I will boost the lower mids a little.
 
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I understand the basic science behind low end extension, I just didn't know how to address it with respect to your question regarding home setups. Like I said, I use the same basic sound for home as well as live/rehearsals, aside from volume, so I don't give any explicit consideration to low end extension at home. All of my setups are certainly perfectly capable of producing any low end I need regardless of four or five-string tunings, because my home rig itself would also be a perfectly serviceable live rig (in fact, I do gig the Shuttle 9.2 head sometimes, and the Carvin 2x10 cab was a mainstay in my live rig for 10+ years before I retired it to home and recording use).

Metal has a somewhat undeserved reputation for extreme bass EQ curves, at least when it comes to players who know what they are doing. I've come across plenty of ultra-scooped tones when making the rounds at local shows, but most everyone I know who can play well and has a good tone tends to go with a much more orthodox tone and setup, albeit plus or minus distortion (I tend to play mostly without drive in two-guitar bands, except for some situational use of fuzz or a dirty boost, but there are plenty of great players who used a dirtier sound). I've pretty much always played a very neutral EQ myself and IMO that produces a more full sound in the full band mix.

When it comes to hip hop and R&B I might roll off some treble or otherwise play with the EQ now and then, but most of the time I just leave everything as-is and modify my technique instead of the amp -- or I'll just pull out my p-bass with flats and possibly a foam mute if I want to go all-in.

Sorry for being presumptuous.

EQ is definitely a skill in and of itself. I only started to understand it when I began tone shaping with the other instruments playing. I know that some of the mid-scoop reputation of metal comes from the practice of using mid-forward distortions like tube screamers to tighten performances before removing the mid-hump with a scoop at the amp. As the saying goes, Leo got most of it right the first time. Bass is just one of those instruments that sounds amazing out the box.