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When to fire a band member?

Her mask has slipped.
You see the real person now.
Infantile disorder with psychological and emotional injuries.

She's already looking for minions and allies to do you in, both in the band and in the agency. Possibly even externally too.

If she is the infant, you must be the adult; put her in the naughty corner.
Sack her ASAP.
Go no contact
Go absolutely silent.
 
Depending on how she compartmentalizes her behavior (or doesn't), management at the agency might feel about her just as you do.

Where would you place the odds of her behavior changing enough for you to be happy keeping her around?
At this point, I’m pretty skeptical. The way she is behaving, I’m not sure how a conversation will be received, i
 
Sounds like you all got off on a bad start, and also that she does not understand her place in running the band. Without being in the room with you all it is hard to say if she is in the right or that there is a lack of leadership she is making up for. Probably time to let her go, but ensure the new hire knows the rules of the road coming in.

Also...don't talk shite about other bands in your group chat, especially when that group chat has members of that band in it.
I don’t think it’s a lack of leadership. I am decisive and I do have experience doing this kind of a thing. She doesn’t want to do any of the work then wants to insert herself in decisions and change things after the fact. She also doesn’t really know what she’s talking about.
 
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I've been BL for years. She is poison and will look for ali's. You've spoken to her once. I hope it was in person and not by phone or text! That's not management if you can't do a one on one. Eventually, if not already, she will sour the whole band. If she is treating paying people wrong, this is a no brainer. She needs to be gone, now. If you let her hang on pulling her crap, you lose as BL.
 
I don’t need or want you to share the details here, and I’m not going to give you legal advice, but thinking as an attorney, I’ll ask you to privately consider this: just how insensitive was the insensitive comment? Putting aside her agency-employer, is this the real reason for your hesitation? Because absent this fact, she should have been cut loose last week.
 
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It’s not a democracy. I built it. The band is an LLC and I’m the sole proprietor. I book it, do the management and have funded the project to get off the ground.

I’m a little lost here. You said, “when the band starts making money", and mentioned you've "funded the project" - That mean you’re paying retainers?

If not, this isn't a band. It’s a loud, dysfunctional family with a drum kit. Implosion's not an "if", it's a "when".

OTOH, if you’re the one booking the work and handing out the money, she should’ve been gone two weeks ago.
 
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Short version: You're already way past the point. Let her go.

Long version: If you want to suffer through the whole ordeal, sit her down to talk. Prepare for that. Make notes. Address all current and possible future issues, and find a solution that works for both of you.
Do write down what you agree on.
If your account is close to the mark, then it'll be a short while until she starts violating those agreements and you'll have to fire her then.
 
I don’t need or want you to share the details here, and I’m not going to give you legal advice, but thinking as an attorney, I’ll ask you to privately consider this: just how insensitive was the insensitive comment? Putting aside her agency-employer, is this the real reason for your hesitation? Because absent this fact, she should have been cut loose last week.
It wasn’t that bad. Not bad enough to justify the reaction. I was definitely being baited into an argument by her when I made the comment, which is on me for taking the bait, but it wasn't even close to bad enough for her to continue behaving this way. I think it was just the first step in a long line of power struggles.
 
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What a drag. This is the gig, girl. Take it or leave it.

It sounds like someone needs to be running her own operation.

You’ll be helping her career.
Yeah, that's what she wants, to run her own operation. I found all the players from years of gigging and contract work, staffed the band, picked up the sheet music, registered it as an LLC in my name, trademarked the band, reached out to agencies to get the ball rolling. It's my band. Granted, I'm a dictator, but I do think I am a benevolent one - I ask for feedback and players input.
 
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Apologies..read half way through and thats enough for her to get the 'this is not working' speech.

Not a big fan of any more that that as an explaination. If you are the BL and this is expected to be your call, then call it.
I might seek out a few senior respected figures for their thoughts but afaic, this is a bust for her.
 
Life is too short, rid yourself (and your band members) of the negativity and be done with it. Let the chips fall where they may.
Absolutely 100%.

I would assume you have band members that are worth their weight in gold. If you keep putting up with one person's bad attitude, you risk losing more people besides the piano that really matter to your band. You will earn a reputation for lack of leadership and talent will steer clear of you. As far as your fear of alienating the agency you want to sign with... for every door that slams in your face, another better opportunity will open up for you.

I fired our rhythm guitar player last year. Our band is very close on a personal level, but his presence was really dragging the band down. That painful decision opened the door for a new guitarist that has profoundly changed our band for the better.
 
I am the band leader of a 10 piece wedding band, 3 piece vocalists, 3 piece horn section and 4 piece rhythm section. We have 1 member that has been regularly acting out over the course of the last 3 weeks. She is one of the singers and her attitude has been very negative. It started when I made an insensitive comment in the group chat about a band that I played in, that she is in having bad communication on stage (in my defense, they absolutely do have bad communication on stage. It would be better to say that there is no communication on stage). Cue the emotional outburst. I get it, I did apologize and speak to her.

Each decision I have made has been contentious, but not a single other member has had an issue. I've even talked with each member to double check. The week of our first gigs, she wants to change the stage plot, after I made it and sent it to the tech. She wants to switch to in ears - not everyone has in ears (the project is young and I am going to have the band fund them when it starts making money). On the gig, she is acting out on stage, speaking to members unprofessionally, and was visibly angry on stage to audience members because the sound guy was not great. Then the way she talks about the sound guy in the chat is ridiculous. He's an older guy who had plumbers crack - her exact words when I told the band we needed to be respectful was "I prefer he not have his ass out in my presence".

Recently, she is trying to fight rehearsal plans for songs that she is not even the lead vocalist because she doesn't think we should do them (the vocalist that is the lead on those songs asked for that artist). She wants to micromanage my booking of gigs, but when I've asked her to do things that would have given her the power to make decisions, she won't do it. The attitude is out of hand. The thing is, if I call her to set it straight, I see it as a lose-lose. I can apologize again for being insensitive, but that's what she wants and I'm not giving in, I've already apologized and she is going to love it if I am subservient at all. If I call and set boundaries, she's going to use it as ammo to explode or throw another tantrum. I am at the point where I am ready to let her go. She's even threatened to quit, even though she really isn't going to because who makes threats and doesn't follow through?

I think the problem is that she doesn't like others making decisions. We had an issue with a piano player who quit who I asked for help on creative decisions, and he was helping call some shots. She didn't like that, she said something to me, I said something to him and he quit. I think at it's core, it's an issue with authority, and completely overvaluing herself. She acts like she's famous because she has a following in a couple bars that really aren't desirable places to play (think like biker bars, rock community type stuff). She's inexperienced, been playing in bands for about 2 years, she's played in the 1 band, meanwhile I've been gigging for nearly 20 years, and ran my own booking agency for several years and have played in big bands.

Here's the complicating factor, she works at the agency I am trying to sign with. She is not an agent, she is an administrative assistant, who basically sends the contracts and files them after the deal is made. Other members are not ready to let her go. The drummer will be fine if I do, but he doesn't want to yet. Another singer thinks the talent outweighs the issues. She is a great singer, but she's an absolute pain in the ass and too negative for me. I already have a back up plan and I think there would be no issues in the band if she is gone. At what point should I fire her?
I would do in this order:
1. ) Look for her replacement, privately and find a potential one or a few.
2.) Meet with all the other members of the band minus your diva member, and express to them what you say here, and propose the solution of replacing the diva and have the info of replacements ready for their consideration.
3.) Get universal consensus on replacing diva, even if there is or can be no agreement yet on WHO that replacement will be.
4.) Fire the diva.
5.) Get on with your band and life and don't let this diva paralyze everything. Go around your diva in a workplace agency situation and if that means talk to other bands or other people in them to get a direct-dial and direct contact of the desired agent, DO THAT.

Good luck with it.
 
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