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why can so many drummers not play like this kid can?

#61
Lagado said:
I'm not arguing, I just disagree. That's alright isn't it?
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You mistakenly assumed I'd never been to a music school, much less graduated from one, and then totally mischaracterized what I'd said.

That's needlessly argumentative.

Disagree with what I'm actually saying all you'd like, I'm more than happy to have a discussion with varying opinions.
 
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Killing Floor said:
What separates a rigid and precise player from a great musician? Soul.
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Something I stumbled upon...and I made my wife watch this (I hear her playing the Jonas Brothers a lot)-


I'm a huge believer in gifted people. I have played with a few...some, no doubt, put in the time. A couple of guys never practiced...they could pick up any instrument & make music.
Ears & brain are just wired better? :)

Also from Beato's Channel. NHOP. 2:50 in, he is only 19 & had only been playing bass for 5 stinkin' years.


I just tip my hat & move on...
 
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MDBass said:
You mistakenly assumed I'd never been to a music school, much less graduated from one, and then totally mischaracterized what I'd said.

That's needlessly argumentative.

Disagree with what I'm actually saying all you'd like, I'm more than happy to have a discussion with varying opinions.
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I know that what I experienced in music school certainly cannot be replicated online. Critiques from a tutor and 15 other bassists on performance sat watching yours. Not the same thing as screen time.
 
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buldog5151bass said:
The level of teaching at a great music college is so much better than what you will find on line.
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The level of players and instruction on a platform like SBL isn't notably inferior to what's offered at a school like MI or LAMA.

I'm certainly glad I went MI: I wouldn't have been working professionally as a studio and touring musician in LA for the last decade plus without the time I spent there.

It's main benefits in my eyes though were the networking, and the real world studio session/gig audition courses: the instruction was obviously massively important, but that could also have been achieved through private study with those same instructors.

I can actually still study with any of the instructors who taught there online via Skype/Zoom/etc. if I want to.
 
#65
Lagado said:
I know that what I experienced in music school certainly cannot be replicated online. Critiques from a tutor and 15 other bassists on performance sat watching yours. Not the same thing as screen time.
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Sounds like you're not familiar with Zoom or live-streaming.
 
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MDBass said:
The level of players and instruction on a platform like SBL isn't notably inferior to what's offered at a school like MI or LAMA.

I'm certainly glad I went MI: I wouldn't have been working professionally as a studio and touring musician in LA for the last decade plus without the time I spent there.

It's main benefits in my eyes though were the networking, and the real world studio session/gig audition courses: the instruction was obviously massively important, but that could also have been achieved through private study with those same instructors.

I can actually still study with any of the instructors who taught there online via Skype/Zoom/etc. if I want to.
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We studied a lot of different things, from the history of music, jazz theory, aural skills, a second instrument, live performance workshops, fretboard fluency, composition, transposition, harmonization. Some modules were more interesting than others, but I got something from all of them.

That was in 1995/96, I did 36 weeks there in '92 too.
 
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pcake said:


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Great post, pcake! :thumbsup:

I think it's fun to watch youngsters excel, and sometimes even play better than many adults!

There is another young drummer who continues to impress me with his accuracy and ability to play the songs correctly. His name is Avery Molek.

Here he is at age 8 playing Good Times Bad Times by Zep:


Here he is at age 10 playing Limelight by Rush:


And at age 11 playing Subdivisions:


IMO, he plays better than some of the adult drummers that I have played music with. I would be honored to have Avery be the drummer in my band, and I'm 64 years old! :)
 
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SactoBass said:
Great post, pcake! :thumbsup:

I think it's fun to watch youngsters excel, and sometimes even play better than many adults!

There is another young drummer who continues to impress me with his accuracy and ability to play the songs correctly. His name is Avery Molek.

Here he is at age 8 playing Good Times Bad Times by Zep:


Here he is at age 10 playing Limelight by Rush:


And at age 11 playing Subdivisions:


IMO, he plays better than some of the adult drummers that I have played music with. I would be honored to have Avery be the drummer in my band, and I'm 64 years old! :)
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Fantastic playing, for any age.
 
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One of the effects of getting older is that the number people who are younger than you, and better than you, or more successful, keeps increasing. ;) For instance I'm at an age where all of my bosses are younger than me. Oddly enough I outranked my boss for a while. I've mentored "kids" fresh out of grad school who were just amazing and made me wonder why I still had a job.

All that matters is that I can still deliver value. Also, the best ones don't stick around, because they're still on their way up.

The funny thing is that hearing kids who can play like that is old hat, if you play a classical instrument. There doesn't need to be a "why." It just is. There will always be someone who is younger than you, and better than you, who practices more, and so forth.
 
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Focussed Practice vs Just Practice matters. It's not just 10 000 hrs. It's 10 000 focussed hours.


I will also suggest just gently, that in this day and age practicing a song over and over till you can put the best of 10-20 takes is somethibg that can and does happen and is a skill itself. A *different* skill to traditionally practicing so you can play on stage 10-20 *different* songs with an ensemble. An Instagram musician has a different skill set to a hired gun. Be aware of that when you see the best take from several hours of filming.

Basically the opposite of Jack of all trades/master of none. If this kid is giving clinics they are likely legit, but I imagine you would find while she is great at rock, she probably has been mainly focussed on that genre to get to her level so early.
 
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